Denis Suarez

Luftstalag14

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Robert already said we will sign him back,so for all what we know the deal is done.we can't sign him officially until July 1.
So I am not sure what is "too long" we are talking about?
Also,whenever a club make a signing we will get the "I wish we were doing business like them" reaction.
Also what gr8 deals clubs are making?How many deals Atletico & RM done already? Manu only signed Baily (and they overpaid for him) ,while Bayern overpaid for 2 players and BVB are signing teenagers.other than that there aren't man clubs who finished so many gr8 deals.may be Xhaka & Gundogan
Everybody know we will sign D.Suarez but it is taking its time.just like Laporte for City.or Morata for RM .

There are Barca fans who live and breath by taking a piss at Bartomeu & co. every day and there are Barca fans who act like they can do no wrong.

Both are too extreme.

No, Denis Suraz is not a done deal, otherwise there wouldn't be any negotiations going on. And what's wrong with BVB buying young players? Even we allegedly submitted a bid for Dembele.

Even though Hummels only had one year left, 35m for a top defender is not overpaying. That Sanches kid, yeah, perhaps.

If these clubs have all more or less overpaid, I don't know what kind of ball park numbers you expect us to pay to buy players these days?
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
There are Barca fans who live and breath by taking a piss at Bartomeu & co. every day and there are Barca fans who act like they can do no wrong.

Both are too extreme.

No, Denis Suraz is not a done deal, otherwise there wouldn't be any negotiations going on. And what's wrong with BVB buying young players? Even we allegedly submitted a bid for Dembele.

Even though Hummels only had one year left, 35m for a top defender is not overpaying. That Sanches kid, yeah, perhaps.

If these clubs have all more or less overpaid, I don't know what kind of ball park numbers you expect us to pay to buy players these days?

38 for a defender with injury history and one year left in his contract who said he wants to go to you isn't overpaying? Come on now Bayern held all the cards and still had to pay huge sum for him.
Every deal has many details that has to be done.but when the outline is known it is what is called "done deal"
There is nothing wrong with buying youngsters,but it is nothing to show of usually those are easier deals too.Denis hired new agent and just want more money and he both sides know the deal can't be signed b4 July 1st so why not take the time we are obliged to take for better deal (from both sides behalf)

It's taking too long. It's a buyback, and there isn't much to discuss there. Kind of deal that should be done quickly, and move on to other targets. And Denis can't be compared to deals for morata or laporte. After the details of this buyback came to light, it kind of showed what a bad done deal this was too. No wonder there's people overreacting.

Buyback from July 1st.can't be done b4 that
And buyback is between clubs,players can always change their stance and it is the main withdraw of such deals.And I am not sure how it can't be compared to Morata who is just have same type of buyback clause
 

navidjaan

New member
It's taking too long. It's a buyback, and there isn't much to discuss there. Kind of deal that should be done quickly, and move on to other targets. And Denis can't be compared to deals for morata or laporte. After the details of this buyback came to light, it kind of showed what a bad done deal this was too. No wonder there's people overreacting.

The clause is only available from July 1st and onwards. We're only at July 9th. Before July 1st, Barça have to negotiate with them like any other club who wants him. And that's what they're doing. It's that simple.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
It's taking too long. It's a buyback, and there isn't much to discuss there.

We are negotiating with Denis, which is harder part of negotiations in this case, because he has some better offers on the table and we have to convince him to take ours. This is not as easy as some people think - like we have MSN and Iniesta and everyone wants to play with them. This is not always true. Denis is a young player who has proven himself a lot during last season and wants to have guarantees about his playing time/role in the team and he also wants to get as much money as possible which is also understandable from his part. When we have a deal with him we'll just have to wait until 1st July and pay his clause, there won't be any negotiations needed with Villarreal.

I think both Denis/his agent and Barça are just taking some time becaue they know they can afford that as they can't officialy sign anything before 1st July. So they'll make their offers/contra-offers for the next week or two and at the end they'll meet around the middle of their demands/supply. It's just the way things work during negotiations in business world. You can never jump on the first offer and take it. If we can somehow negotiate his salary down for 0.5M (based on the rumours that they are currently 1M apart) or something like that it's worth to wait for a few more weeks in this situation.

I get that some people are feeling unsecure about what we are doing and want to see some official news but they won't come before July. We'll probably get rid of Adriano before that but all incoming transfers will have to wait for official confirmation. But that doesn't mean our board are not doing anything. In the meantime, be prepare to read more and more (most of them untrue or even stupid) rumours every day about everything. Although a market will most likely "die" during Euro for all players participating there that won't stop media. It's their job. If some of you can't handle that and are feeling like you have to jump on every rumour I'd friendly advice you to just step away for a few weeks. :)
 
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Flavia

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The clause is only available from July 1st and onwards. We're only at July 9th. Before July 1st, Barça have to negotiate with them like any other club who wants him. And that's what they're doing. It's that simple.
That clause it's what make this so ridiculous. It's not really simple, as another offer would make him cost more than the 3.5m. That's the problem, basically. The club and those stupid clauses. Letting players go for free, have cheap buyouts, or be toyed with by agents, because of those clauses.

We are negotiating with Denis, which is harder part of negotiations in this case, because he has some better offers on the table and we have to convince him to take ours. This is not as easy as some people think - like we have MSN and Iniesta and everyone wants to play with them. This is not always true. Denis is a young player who has proven himself a lot during last season and wants to have guarantees about his playing time/role in the team and he also wants to get as much money as possible which is also understandable from his part. When we have a deal with him we'll just have to wait until 1st July and pay his clause, there won't be any negotiations needed with Villarreal.

I think both Denis/his agent and Barça are just taking some time becaue they know they can afford that as they can't officialy sign anything before 1st July. So they'll make their offers/contra-offers for the next week or two and at the end they'll meet around the middle of their demands/supply. It's just the way things work during negotiations in business world. You can never jump on the first offer and take it. If we can somehow negotiate his salary down for 0.5M (based on the rumours that they are currently 1M apart) or something like that it's worth to wait for a few more weeks in this situation.

I get that some people are feeling unsecure about what we are doing and want to see some official news but they won't come before July. We'll probably get rid of Adriano before that but all incoming transfers will have to wait for official confirmation. But that doesn't mean our board are not doing anything. In the meantime, be prepare to read more and more (most of them untrue or even stupid) rumours every day about everything. Although a market will most likely "die" during Euro for all players participating there that won't stop media. It's their job. If some of you can't handle that and are feeling like you have to jump on every rumour I'd friendly advice you to just step away for a few weeks. :)
No need for the condescending tone, this is not my 1st transfer window. I know very well how all this works. The club actually have no time to take. They actually might have to pay more, because if villarreal get a better offer, they have to match it before July 1st.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
No need for the condescending tone, this is not my 1st transfer window. I know very well how all this works. The club actually have no time to take. They actually might have to pay more, because if villarreal get a better offer, they have to match it before July 1st.

I highly doubt it.The transfer market doesn't officially start b4 July 1st and any signing b4 that is just an agreement that works only from that date.I don't think that mean they can accept other offers b4 that
I think the cause is there just in case
1-They decided to sell him in January
2-We passed on the buyback option and they got an offer they would accept after that.
I think the whole "some other clubs can sign him b4 July " is a sport bs where they try to interpret the clause their own way.
Also even if true,no club will risk trying to sign him with 1st option we got because they will know it will be useless or they will have to really overpay for him for us to not match
 
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Flavia

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I highly doubt it.The transfer market doesn't officially start b4 July 1st and any signing b4 that is just an agreement that works only from that date.I don't think that mean they can accept other offers b4 that
I think the cause is there just in case
1-They decided to sell him in January
2-We passed on the buyback option and they got an offer they would accept after that.
I think the whole "some other clubs can sign him b4 July " is a sport bs where they try to interpret the clause their own way.
Also even if true,no club will risk trying to sign him with 1st option we got because they will know it will be useless or they will have to really overpay for him for us to not match

Of course they can accept offers from other teams. Bartra has signed for BVB, pen to paper. The only difference July 1st make is allowing clubs to register, but that doesn't stop any club from signing players. I just doubt they have got higher bids. Denis is not high profile. He got better offer in wages.
 

Xavinho

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The club actually have no time to take. They actually might have to pay more, because if villarreal get a better offer, they have to match it before July 1st.
I don't see why we would have to pay more. If Denis wants to play for us then great. He'll wait until July, and we'll pay the buyback fee. If another club makes an offer to Villarreal, and Denis wants to sign with them, then that's what he'll do. It won't make any difference at all if we match their offer. He's free to go where he likes.

Personally, if I were him, I wouldn't come back. What's he going to do here? Sit on the bench and watch Neymar and Messi play? Unless maybe he believes for some reason he'll be able to replace Iniesta in a season or two. But, that's a very different role than the one he's had success with at Villarreal.
 
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Flavia

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I don't see why we would have to pay more. If Denis wants to play for us then great. He'll wait until July, and we'll pay the buyback fee. If another club makes an offer to Villarreal, and Denis wants to sign with them, then that's what he'll do. It won't make any difference at all if we match their offer. He's free to go where he likes.

Personally, if I were him, I wouldn't come back. What's he going to do here? Sit on the bench and watch Neymar and Messi play? Unless maybe he believes for some reason he'll be able to replace Iniesta in a season or two. But, that's a very different role than the one he's had success with at Villarreal.

There is a clause on his contract that states if Villarreal get a better offer now, Barça have to match it. They didn't, yet, or this would be known by now. This doesn't depend on his will to sign for Barça.
 

xXKonan

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From Gerard Romero it looks like it's done.

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Flavia

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Buyout 50m, apparently. I just hope there isn't another of those clauses saying the buyout drops to peanuts if he doesn't play X minutes. It's time they stop doing that.
 

God Serena

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From Gerard Romero it looks like it's done.

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People were losing their minds over the club and player even daring to negotiate just a couple of days ago lol

Glad to have him on board.

Buyout 50m, apparently. I just hope there isn't another of those clauses saying the buyout drops to peanuts if he doesn't play X minutes. It's time they stop doing that.

Why not just give him the minutes needed?

These clauses are only half the problem.
 

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