Ernesto Valverde - V1

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MessiCam

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Liverpool played way more defensive than Barca, 34% possession against City IIRC btw

That’s just because Liverpool parked the bus in the second half. In the first half possession was split pretty evenly if I’m not mistaken.

I wouldn’t have sat back though.
 

RMU ReBorn

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I meant for inspiration not an exact copy !

Both Liverpool and Arsenal played stuff we can currently only DREAM of seeing :(
Oh yes and they can only dream of winning a domestic double in near future . i would rather play like this and win against chelsea , Real , juve and Atleti rather than getting battered by Ramires and Torres by playing so called tiki taka akka beautiful football
 
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MessiCam

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Oh yes and they can only dream of winning a domestic double in near future . i would rather play like this and win against chelsea , Real , juve and Atleti rather than getting battered by Ramires and Torres by playing so called tiki taka akka beautiful football
Tiki Taka is just a label. And like all labels they tell you one thing, and one thing only... Where does an individual (in this case a team) so identified fit in the food chain. In the pecking order...

Besides, Tiki Taka was never battered... Pep made 4 Champions League semi’s in succession and won 2. The batterings came under a sick Villanova and Lucho. And Lucho didn’t play Tiki Taka... He had a more direct style with Neymar.
 

Stoichkov1

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The hard pressing from Bilbao was what Valverde inherited from Loco Biesla. But it soon tapered off.

Valverde’s teams do press but they don’t press hard. He emphasises defensive shape. Look at his defensive record... Bilbao went from conceding 50/60 goals per season under Biesla to sub 40 under Valverde.

Just putting this out there since I’ve seen this mentioned before.

Conceding less goals is good... you know?
 

Aryagorn

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Oh yes and they can only dream of winning a domestic double in near future . i would rather play like this and win against chelsea , Real , juve and Atleti rather than getting battered by Ramires and Torres by playing so called tiki taka akka beautiful football

When has Valverde won a domestic double again? The one in Greece won't count please
 
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MessiCam

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Conceding less goals is good... you know?

I have no problem with that but when it comes at the expense of a great spectacle I draw the line. Let’s not forget that Pep’s Barça only conceded 24 goals in 2009/10, 21 goals in 2010/11 and 29 in 2011/12. Lucho’s Barça also only conceded 21 in 2014/15 and 29 in 2015/16 so let’s not act like what Valverde is doing is unprecedented in terms of conceding. Only difference is those other managers played an attacking brand which made it all the more impressive.

Watching Valverde’s Barça play is like watching paint dry. The play is bereft of courage and guile.
 

tacticvarium

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Oh yes and they can only dream of winning a domestic double in near future . i would rather play like this and win against chelsea , Real , juve and Atleti rather than getting battered by Ramires and Torres by playing so called tiki taka akka beautiful football

You just don't understand how football works in Barça. Go support Mourinho and you will be very happy;)
 

RMU ReBorn

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When has Valverde won a domestic double again? The one in Greece won't count please
The one in Barcelona

You just don't understand how football works in Barça. Go support Mourinho and you will be very happy;)

How does football works in Barca ? like how Pep showed ? . i support the club not the brand of football that Pep showed . What Mourinho does is far from the brand of football Barcelona is playing now . Secondly Barcelona is on a transition phase so what we need is stability rather than glamour . I don't want Madrid to run away with titles every year when we are rebuilding the midfield . Go and support fucking swansea . Theu play the exact brand of football that you are advocating
 

Zincubus

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Tiki Taka is just a label. And like all labels they tell you one thing, and one thing only... Where does an individual (in this case a team) so identified fit in the food chain. In the pecking order...

Besides, Tiki Taka was never battered... Pep made 4 Champions League semi’s in succession and won 2. The batterings came under a sick Villanova and Lucho. And Lucho didn’t play Tiki Taka... He had a more direct style with Neymar.

I wish Pep would come back and this train back on track or even get Xavi in charge with Iniesta as his assistant plus player ..

How could they fail !?!
 

Joan

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I wish Pep would come back and this train back on track or even get Xavi in charge with Iniesta as his assistant plus player ..

How could they fail !?!

Being a great player doesn't mean being a good coach. No way Xavi should come unless he proved himself.

How could Maradona fail !?!
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
I wish Pep would come back and this train back on track or even get Xavi in charge with Iniesta as his assistant plus player ..

How could they fail !?!

IIRC Iniesta has zero coaching ambition, seem he will just focus on his wine industry.
Xavi? not sure about but sometimes I feel that while he understands football more than anyone, he is delusional about many other things.
 

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