Ernesto Valverde - V1

[xXKonan]

He needs to start phasing out certain key players next season.

This is where things are going to get interesting in that regard. Will the big heavyweights accept the idea that their time as a pure 100% Starters is slowly coming to an end and do what's right for the team in helping get newer players accumulated for a possible future starting role such as players like De Jong.

Or will we keep fucking that Chicken where we must prioritize the needs of the Heavyweights despite their aging legs and loss of hunger for even more success?

 

[Leo_Messi]

He needs to start phasing out certain key players next season.

This is where things are going to get interesting in that regard. Will the big heavyweights accept the idea that their time as a pure 100% Starters is slowly coming to an end and do what's right for the team in helping get newer players accumulated for a possible future starting role such as players like De Jong.

Or will we keep fucking that Chicken where we must prioritize the needs of the Heavyweights despite their aging legs and loss of hunger for even more success?

Likely getting rid of Rakitic this summer (here is hoping, will make a pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela and the Vatican if it happens) would be a good start. Slowly facing out Piqué as well, although this will depend on Umtiti's immediate future, whether or not Todibo will get an opportunity or whether the board decides to sign a CB or not, could be a great start. Not sure if we can get "rid" of Suárez as long as Messi is king but buying an actual number 9 (KPB certainly is not the answer, lol, despite the praise of his signing from certain unnamed users here) who could challenge Suárez from next season onwards already, would be an even better start.

As Mascaró wrote and made a little video about, this was more the seniors (vacas sagradas = holy cows for those not understanding Spanish here) extending Valverde's contract as much as Bartomeu doing it.

Which pretty much points back to what we discussed in this regard a few months ago. Unfortunately it seems that my worry and yours as well (if I recall) was accurate. That leaves us with much greater problems than just Valverde alone and dare I say that he is a big problem on its own already. Let alone the board.

I recall alluding to this (that status quo is not all Valverde's fault while having a dig at the board and seniors) in my first posts in this thread after my return after a very long time away from this forum. A few users did not understand what I really wrote or meant. Some of them were active just in the previous pages. Now they should. If not, may God help them, as I did my part.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Am I discussing about the game tactics or the certain performances of the team? I think not.

I merely gave reasons why fans are turning away from watching the Barcelona they once loved, and if u disagree that's fine. But something along the lines like you are not taken seriously or shouldnt be a Barcelona fan, that's ridiculous. And I only stopped for a month or two for me thats a long time, because I have been busy with work and lost interest in the dull playing style.

So I don't see a point religiously staying up late when I can catch up on my sleep.

I'm tired of seeing the lifeless midfield, poor tactics and no real gameplan from Valverde too sometimes.... but still watch most games, I probably miss 5/6 games a season.

Imagine supporting a team other than Barca, if you had those same reasons for not watching your team (other than work commitments) you'd probably never watch them. Imagine supporting United while Mourinho was in charge or Arsenal the last few years.

Like I was saying on another post, "fans" who stop watching because we're not playing 2009-2013 standard of football or wish that we'd lose are usually fans who latched onto Barca in our best period.... not saying you are, but most are.

 

[henias]

I'm tired of seeing the lifeless midfield, poor tactics and no real gameplan from Valverde too sometimes.... but still watch most games, I probably miss 5/6 games a season.

Imagine supporting a team other than Barca, if you had those same reasons for not watching your team (other than work commitments) you'd probably never watch them. Imagine supporting United while Mourinho was in charge or Arsenal the last few years.

Like I was saying on another post, "fans" who stop watching because we're not playing 2009-2013 standard of football or wish that we'd lose are usually fans who latched onto Barca in our best period.... not saying you are, but most are.

I'm not asking for a 2009-2012 period football, and it's alot more than the style of play, from the top to bottom management, it's a mess.

Anyway, that's not the point. I'm merely giving my take on why a setback might be a blessing in disguise at this stage, she disagreed with me, and I'm totally fine with it.

But to take a statement out of nowhere and say you arent fit to be a fan or a serious poster, that's something else.

 

[Joan]

What does it mean to be a fan? Watch your team only if they play the most entertaining football? What happens once we collapse? Start fighting for European spots? Will those who left now return then?

 

[Leo_Messi]

I'm not asking for a 2009-2012 period football, and it's alot more than the style of play, from the top to bottom management, it's a mess.

Anyway, that's not the point. I'm merely giving my take on why a setback might be a blessing in disguise at this stage, she disagreed with me, and I'm totally fine with it.

But to take a statement out of nowhere and say you arent fit to be a fan or a serious poster, that's something else.

I will ask again. Where you a fan during the 2006-07 and 2007-08 seasons? Or during the Gaspart era? Would you take this following comment of mine as an insensitive post (lol) if I told you that you are acting like a fucking spoilt crybaby and that you would likely not have sticked around if you were a "fan" during that era?

Who is she? Are you trying to be funny because a troll has hallucinations and likely has had zero contact with women in his life while living in a basement? Because such comments are pretty much a sign of such a life.

Yes, VERY controversial to have a hard time taking someone that talks about style, Valverde etc. yet does not watch our games, seriously. Please accept my deepest felt apologizes. I really hope that you did not suffer from a mental breakdown due to my highly disrespectful post. Truly sorry. Call the cops. Tag Barcaman again. Get me banned. Talk about that Jamdav user again. Fucking hell. Worse than a freaking teenage girl on her period!

 

[henias]

I will ask again. Where you a fan during the 2006-07 and 2007-08 seasons? Or during the Gaspart era? Would you take this following comment of mine as an insensitive post (lol) if I told you that you are acting like a fucking spoilt crybaby and that you would likely not have sticked around if you were a "fan" during that era?

Who is she? Are you trying to be funny because a troll has hallucinations and likely has had zero contact with women in his life while living in a basement? Because such comments are pretty much a sign of such a life.

Yes, VERY controversial to have a hard time taking someone that talks about style, Valverde etc. yet does not watch our games, seriously. Please accept my deepest felt apologizes. I really hope that you did not suffer from a mental breakdown due to my highly disrespectful post. Truly sorry.

I suggest you take a break.

 

[Leo_Messi]

I suggest you take a break.

No I am perfectly fine. Going out tonight before my girlfriend returns from the US tomorrow night. Life is great. Try to read what I am actually writing and reflect upon it. Nothing controversial about it and you did not make yourself any favors with that comment. I guess that you not wanting to reply to my simple questions, is due to having to reply to them with a resounding yes in case of doing so?

You decided only to watch Youtube highlights (for a very long time, your own words) and I ask where you even a fan during the 2006-2008 "era" or the Gaspart era? What are you going to do the day that Messi retires and when what we have today with Valverde, will be seen as "good times"? Probably nowhere to be seen.

Please don't have a mental breakdown.

 

[henias]

The state of this guy.

 

[Vilarrubi]

I'm not asking for a 2009-2012 period football, and it's alot more than the style of play, from the top to bottom management, it's a mess.

Anyway, that's not the point. I'm merely giving my take on why a setback might be a blessing in disguise at this stage, she disagreed with me, and I'm totally fine with it.

But to take a statement out of nowhere and say you arent fit to be a fan or a serious poster, that's something else.

If you say you are a true Barca fan then good for you, but just think of the other 100s of clubs who play average football week in week out (even clubs who have had success like AC Milan or Nottingham Forest) who are nothing compared to what they used to be and still have fans who watch them as much as possible. If all those fans took your line of thinking they'd have no fans left.

 

[clemente]

As for my "mentally retarded" comment, you did not understand that either it seems. That was a reference to the CONTENT of your initial post where you publicly wrote that you wanted us to lose everything this season and for RM to win everything instead. Now if that is not mentally retarded as a supposed fan, I don't know what is. Is that so difficult to understand?

There is no need to use insult anyone, we are here to discuss things, not to scream "retarded" like a child every time you get emotional

Did you read my posts or did you just decide not to do so and invent your own narrative?

What narrative? I gave you an explanation, and I don't go around reading your posts that aren't quoted to me, nobody has such time.

Did I just not write, in a very detailed way, why I believe that the board would not have fired Valverde this season regardless of what? Did I just not write that there are no top managers available this summer and that we have ZERO guarantee of finding something better than Valverde with THIS board around? That it is not realistic when ALL the seniors are publicly praising Valverde. What do you want me to discuss, hypothesis or discuss based on the ground realities?

Why fire him when his contract is ending are you talking about firing him before we even enter CL? You make no sense once again, now if he decides to trigger the clause in his contract for the extension after not winning anything, which would be very low even for him, then I'm sure even this incompetent board would still fire him.

I want Valverde gone too (probably more than you) but do I want him gone as much for me to wish that we will lose every single title and for RM to win them instead? That would be an insane opinion to have as a fan. Outside of the "special lot" on this forum, I know of no fans that would agree with such a brilliant "logic".

You want Valverde gone you would probably faint if you saw your hero in real life. Sometimes there are things we have to sacrifice in order to achieve something.

Believe me, there is nothing difficult about any content of your posts for me or anyone else not to understand it. However it seems that you do not understand even the simplest of arguments and I don't really bother to repeat myself for the fourth time. Other users understood what I wrote. I am sure that you can as well.

Yes big man, your posts are very intelligent and people here are refreshing your profile page, waiting for you new posts. Sounds like you were arguing about nothing and your only "arguments" are calling someone "retarded", "not a fan", I don't know why you got so invested into this, is it that hard to keep yourself together?

 

[messi2140]

If you say you are a true Barca fan then good for you, but just think of the other 100s of clubs who play average football week in week out (even clubs who have had success like AC Milan or Nottingham Forest) who are nothing compared to what they used to be and still have fans who watch them as much as possible. If all those fans took your line of thinking they'd have no fans left.

Tbf those teams dont have the sqaud that Barca's has (which is imo the best out there) let alone the best player in the world.

 

[George_Costanza]

What does it mean to be a fan? Watch your team only if they play the most entertaining football? What happens once we collapse? Start fighting for European spots? Will those who left now return then?

I watch Barca games all the times and make sure I attend the games at Camp Nou at least once or twice a year. But I have to make a confession, lately, Valverde's football made me half sleep several times and I'm guilty of taking a short nap now and then while the game is on.

Am I still considered a Barca fan?

 

[henias]

If you say you are a true Barca fan then good for you, but just think of the other 100s of clubs who play average football week in week out (even clubs who have had success like AC Milan or Nottingham Forest) who are nothing compared to what they used to be and still have fans who watch them as much as possible. If all those fans took your line of thinking they'd have no fans left.

Why would I expect Nottingham to play Barcelona football?

And I already said, this wasn't my original discussion. It's not about the playing style nor am I justifying myself for not watching games.

I am merely saying how the current state of the club isnt the long term solution. If someone disagree with me that's fine. Not sure why you are arguing with me about how I should be watching games.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Tbf those teams dont have the sqaud that Barca's has (which is imo the best out there) let alone the best player in the world.

What's that got to do with anything?

AC Milan and Forest (Just to name a couple) have had periods of domination in their history like us and they still have fans watching and supporting them despite their downfall.


Honestly the more I think about it fans who think "The team's playing poorly so i'll stop watching games" aren't true fans at all. Pretty immature tbh.