Ernesto Valverde - V1

Andresito

Senior Member
Staff member
It's sad that it has to come to the point where our players have to get injured for him to understand to sub them off.

Now I'm not blaming him for Suárez' apparent injury. It could have happened to Piqué, Alba, Busquets, Rakitic or Messi as well.

But he did NOTHING to minimize the risk when were 3-0 up.
And it's not really Gomes' and Mina's who're sitting on the bench. This squad is our best in years, but he's not able to use it's full potential. I hope this doesn't bite our ass in the CL.
 

Ursegor

World Champion
This forum is a meme, tbh. Apart from 1 Cup game where he deserves criticism and wasn't even the sole culprit (everyone relaxed after 4-1 in the first leg against "lowly Roma", get over it) he has an amazing record. 3-0 Juventus in the groups last season, 3-1 Chelsea, 5-1, 3-0, 3-0 Real Madrid, 37 league games unbeaten.

You can whine about his style or because he doesn't play the players Internet fans want, who cares. We play attacking football for 90 % of the time and sometimes sit deeper to counter when it makes sense. This is a great squad but not a generational squad anymore with the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, prime Suarez, Neymar to dominate opponents for full 90 minutes, away or home, at all times, even with rookie coach like Lucho on the sidelines.

If you can't grasp this, you're a retardo yourself. Setien, who received hankerchiefs again from the Betis crowd, was such a flavour of the month here not so long ago. What happened? Huh? Everyone who hyped him so quiet now.

Have you seen how open Betis are at the back with mindless "throwing bodies forward despite not having the players for it" tactics? We'd look exactly the same against quality opponents with our squad, back to the 1-7 against Bayern days.

A couple of pages ago someone posted holier than thou dipshittery about "never giving up style". You can talk from that high horse (or unicorn) because Barca is winning every season and you take it for granted. 3 seasons max. without a major trophy and you'll take Mourinho with Lukaku upfront if it means to win something. In fact this very place had many discussions about "mixing it up", "double pivot with Mascherano", "more counters", "making own mark away from the Pep template" and even a poll about Mourinho somewhere between the Tito and Tata days when we looked vulnerable on many occasions.

Proper meme. Sit on your 300 pound asses, order a Pizza and enjoy the oncoming treble, you clowns.
 

Joan

Well-known member
No shit. Like Valverde-defending post on steroids.
Not really. The point is that Valverde doesn't even need all that defending this forum asks for. And that childish stuff like the thread name change speak for themselves, too.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Not really. The point is that Valverde doesn't even need all that defending this forum asks for. And that childish stuff like the thread name change speak for themselves, too.

Of course it's childish. Most of it is blowing off steam.

In a serious conversation truth is somwhere in the middle. Some things which idealistic fans want aren't possible anymore, while Valverde could surely correct some of the mistakes he is repeating with each season.
 

Joan

Well-known member
Of course it's childish. Most of it is blowing off steam.

In a serious conversation truth is somwhere in the middle. Some things which idealistic fans want aren't possible anymore, while Valverde could surely correct some of the mistakes he is repeating with each season.
No denying that at all. And yes, the truth is usually in the middle. But when you look through this thread, starting with the title, you see how detached from reality huge part of our fanbase here really is. It's nowhere near the middle. Extreme end.

Which Ursegor pointed out.
 

serghei

Senior Member
No denying that at all. And yes, the truth is usually in the middle. But when you look through this thread, starting with the title, you see how detached from reality huge part of our fanbase here really is. It's nowhere near the middle. Extreme end.

Which Ursegor pointed out.

No. He went in the other extreme end.
 

messi2140

6racies Xavi
No denying that at all. And yes, the truth is usually in the middle. But when you look through this thread, starting with the title, you see how detached from reality huge part of our fanbase here really is. It's nowhere near the middle. Extreme end.

Which Ursegor pointed out.

Have you seen how open Betis are at the back with mindless "throwing bodies forward despite not having the players for it" tactics? We'd look exactly the same against quality opponents with our squad, back to the 1-7 against Bayern days.


Dude is acting as if Barca have a bunch of peasants in the team.
 
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serghei

Senior Member
Anyway, this approach we did vs Betis worked great because Betis bought the bait hook line and sinker. It is going to be more problematic against teams who don't fall for this. Then it will came down to details, which is something we should be looking to avoid.

It is a good tactic away from home in CL. We played exactly the same way in 2006 vs Milan 0-1, Benfica 0-0, and Chelsea 1-2. That's the game plan Valverde is after with setups like today.

Our weakness is away from home. And playing more conservative, counterattacking game is a good idea. Especially considering we are a force at home and usually if we carry a draw on Camp Nou we're very much capable of beating anyone.
 
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Joan

Well-known member
No. He went in the other extreme end.
Not really. Did point out Valverde's positives, but from his previous posts in this thread, rating Valverde as a 7/10 coach - looks pretty reasonable for me. Surely not extreme. Was more about the atmosphere on here than Valverde himself. Not some extensive analysis.

Have you seen how open Betis are at the back with mindless "throwing bodies forward despite not having the players for it" tactics? We'd look exactly the same against quality opponents with our squad, back to the 1-7 against Bayern days.


Dude is acting as if Barca have a bunch of peasants in the team.
More about Setien's tactics than anything. His inability to adapt the tactics to the bunch he's got. I also don't think Barca has players to 'throw bodies forward' and play the way Setien likes... especially not against 'quality opponents'.
 
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Messigician

Senior Member
Calm down on Suarez its an excuse to avoid ghe international friendlies. The sprain will just keep him fresh until the break is over.
 

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