Ernesto Valverde

Messigician

Senior Member
This is what the EV fans are missing, IMO.

If they want to place EV as this elite manager, then he has to win ties like v Roma or be able to put up a better fight v Pool than that Anfield tie. Because as it stands, he did not add any value beyond what the squad was capable of in those 2 years. Elite managers overcome limitations of the squad and deliver improbable results (not all the time, but most of the time). With EV, it was the exact same type of meltdown 2 years running, with one of those versus a non-elite team (Roma). Lucho's 3rd year loss or Koeman and Setien's losses were v elite teams and in Koeman's case, with a worse squad than EV's 18/19 one.

As it stands, EV is better than Koeman or Setien. And worse than Lucho.

What does that make him? A Bilbao level manager, which is where he is at the moment.

Those ties weren't his fault

Even Messi said don't blame the manager the players are to blame

This is something he never done before and never done since
 

UEFA_Barça_Chris

o Fenômeno
EV was a glorified and an overdue caretaker for the failed rebuild of Barca which should have happened gradually post-Lucho 2017... Just to sum it up. We also were relying on individual like Messi (specially 18/19) and few others. There was no way that Barca could of won any UCL under him. Of course other big factors came in to effect like the Barto board, amigos, but EV did what he could for La Liga... but in no way to be consistent top team. No proper vision.
 

Messigician

Senior Member
EV was a glorified and an overdue caretaker for the failed rebuild of Barca which should have happened gradually post-Lucho 2017... Just to sum it up. We also were relying on individual like Messi (specially 18/19) and few others. There was no way that Barca could of won any UCL under him. Of course other big factors came in to effect like the Barto board, amigos, but EV did what he could for La Liga... but in no way to be consistent top team. No proper vision.

If dembele scored a tap in we win UCL and treble lol
 

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
This is what the EV fans are missing, IMO.

If they want to place EV as this elite manager, then he has to win ties like v Roma or be able to put up a better fight v Pool than that Anfield tie. Because as it stands, he did not add any value beyond what the squad was capable of in those 2 years. Elite managers overcome limitations of the squad and deliver improbable results (not all the time, but most of the time). With EV, it was the exact same type of meltdown 2 years running, with one of those versus a non-elite team (Roma). Lucho's 3rd year loss or Koeman and Setien's losses were v elite teams and in Koeman's case, with a worse squad than EV's 18/19 one.

As it stands, EV is better than Koeman or Setien. And worse than Lucho.

What does that make him? A Bilbao level manager, which is where he is at the moment.

Players were scared, not even Pep could fix it in cl.
 

Catta

Senior Member
It is not Dembeles fault, if EV had chosen an 11 without one of Busi or Raki, and without walking man Coutinho, like most people on this forum wanted, then we wouldn't get overrun at Anfield.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
0-0 at home vs Mallorca.


Bet he even parked the buss.

Lol nope. They've played some nice football, created tons of chances but just couldn't convert them. Were also unlucky with posts and Rajkovic had a great debut in Mallorca's goal. That save in 81st minute was amazing. :worthy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik7XnSgbttM


I expect not having a good striker will cost Bilbao a lot of points this season. If they would have a prime Fernando Llorente or Aduriz I'd already pencil them in to finish 4th.

Miss you mister.

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Catta

Senior Member
dembele instead of coutinho and barca goes to final

Even Malcom would have offered more than that walking piece of shit. So angry that he showed zero fight and determination when we faced Liverpool, but was doing his best when he came on for Bayern against us. The worst transfer ever, nothing can top it.
 

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
Even Malcom would have offered more than that walking piece of shit. So angry that he showed zero fight and determination when we faced Liverpool, but was doing his best when he came on for Bayern against us. The worst transfer ever, nothing can top it.

Also thought about malcom, he or Dembouz would have been the key. Coutinho proved Klopp that selling him was the right decision for liverpool... It is what it is.
 

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