Fati_Future_BallonDor
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18/19 reached cl semifinal with him...since then never reached the semi final again
Ernesto Valverde
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18/19 reached cl semifinal with him...since then never reached the semi final again
Sailor Mars
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Valverde's victories in Champions League weren't exactly dominating wins. Even in 18/19, the team didn't have a convincing win over Man Utd or Lyon. He got results, but it was slow, ugly, and unconvincing football.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Lets be honest team was crap, same team was destroyed by bayern 2-8 (+ Frenkie) and that bayern wasnt even half of 12/13 Bayern. 4-0 against Manu and 5-1 against Lyon is more than what should be expected
Birdy
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Lyon and that Man UTD is a very low standard.
People whine about Inter of this season, but Inter of this season is I don't know how many levels above that Man UTD and Lyon...
That team never beat a serious opponent in the CL in an important game, none of the years Ernie was around.
You can say it was the shitty aged squad we had (and I agree), but Ernie is also responsible for caving in to them, and nurturing even more the Amigo mentality
khaled_a_d
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During a decade span (since 2013/2014 season, till 2022/2023 season) we reached CL SF twice, one in treble season and one in 18/19
Sailor Mars
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It was a terribly built team and was pretty crap.
But Valverde's victories and scorelines almost always flattered the actual play. The Lyon and Man U ties were much tougher for Barca than the scorelines showed. Even the 5-1 El Clasico scoreline flattered Barca as well.
Valverde deserves credit for the wins, but Barca looked on the ropes for many of those games.
Do you think that the players of Valverde were better than what Xavi have now?
He still had prime-ish Messi. None of our current players come close to Messi 2017-2020. And he was kinda out of his prime. Messi is the reason we were in that semifinal. Valverde was a coward who got lucky because of...Messi. The level of play was horrendeous.
Birdy
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No, but we are under construction. That team back then was not...
And had Messi in a wild form in CL. That was his last glimpse of the prime Messi
Birdy
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Not so easy to beat AM without Messi and Suarez, is it
Fair to say Bilbao were much better
Messigician
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Fair to say Bilbao were much better
Aye
Messigician
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Bilbao had 13 shots to Athleticos 2
61% possession
And should have scored a penalty lol
Definition of bad luck they need a Stine cold killer in the box
61% possession
And should have scored a penalty lol
Definition of bad luck they need a Stine cold killer in the box
soul24rage
Senior Member
what penalty?
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