Ernesto Valverde
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JohnN
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Nobody believes that all our players are generational talents. You have to work with what there is available, and I don't think there are so many generational talents out there to get at this point in time. Still, us Barca fans, have kind of lost the whole context. This squad is very good compared to most of the other squads right now. And we still posses a cheat code, that no other team has.
It is pretty obvious that they should be able to play better football. You said it yourself, we have Messi, Griezmann, Frenkie, Arthur, and Alba. That is 5 of the 10 outfield players that are arguably top 10 (at least) in their role. In the same team. We also have a WC goalie, a WC CB at Pique and some amazing veterans at Busquets and Suarez (who ARE underperforming since Valverde took charge). The rest, you can call average or squad players, but even then, there is just too much contrast between the quality of footballers to the quality of football produced.
EdmondDantes
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The problem is, Valverde does not get the best out of his players with his cowardly, submissive, inferior philosophy.
His grandpas can play as awful as possible they still start every game. The younger players who don't have much of an influence in the dressing room can play well and lose their spot in a snap. Like Alena Friday.
There's not a fair concept of competition with Valverde. His oldies get entitled and complacent, the younger ones demotivated, resulting in most players playing below their individual level.
Valverde's luck is that Messi bails him out 90% of the time, like at Camp Nou vs Liverpool. Klopp's team smothered us all game, missed their chances and Messi suddenly got us an undeserved 3-0 win despite the fact Valverde started one of the worst midfield trios in my memory as a Barcelona fan.
His grandpas can play as awful as possible they still start every game. The younger players who don't have much of an influence in the dressing room can play well and lose their spot in a snap. Like Alena Friday.
There's not a fair concept of competition with Valverde. His oldies get entitled and complacent, the younger ones demotivated, resulting in most players playing below their individual level.
Valverde's luck is that Messi bails him out 90% of the time, like at Camp Nou vs Liverpool. Klopp's team smothered us all game, missed their chances and Messi suddenly got us an undeserved 3-0 win despite the fact Valverde started one of the worst midfield trios in my memory as a Barcelona fan.
Raketa10
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gerardromero(RAC1): "I have doubts whether or not Valverde will still be the Barça manager at the end of the season. Valdés wants to take over, for sure."
Valdes?!?!
That would be a cherry on top of all stupid decisions we made after Pep left! What a horrible idea but since we are talking about Barto and this clown board I guess everything is possible. 
Valdes?!?!
That would be a cherry on top of all stupid decisions we made after Pep left! What a horrible idea but since we are talking about Barto and this clown board I guess everything is possible. 
Messigician
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gerardromero(RAC1): "I have doubts whether or not Valverde will still be the Barça manager at the end of the season. Valdés wants to take over, for sure."
Valdes?!?!
Romero is the super saiyan of fake news, he lost all credibility long ago
Sorin
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Depending on how Ajax are doing this season, Ten Haag should be a serious option. He's out of contract, plays some exciting football, has been Pep's understudy at Bayern so he should know a thing or two about possesion football. Also extracted the best out of Frenkie and could do it with us too.
One other interesting thing is that the best performances for Ajax last year have come with Tadic as a single striker. He is quite similar to Messi in profile, obviously Messi is ten times the player. Could use Messi as the lone striker with Griezmann just behind him instead of Van den Beek. Basically vastly superior options all across the pitch.
One other interesting thing is that the best performances for Ajax last year have come with Tadic as a single striker. He is quite similar to Messi in profile, obviously Messi is ten times the player. Could use Messi as the lone striker with Griezmann just behind him instead of Van den Beek. Basically vastly superior options all across the pitch.
AjaxAmsterdam
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I dont think Tadic is similar to Messi at all. Tadic main strength above all are his lungs he runs the most out of a "running team". Pretty impressive at that age that he outruns the young guys , anyways his strength in Ajax are his constant positional switches with van der Beek (main reason why dolberg lost his job). Do agree if Ten Hag gets this Ajax team without FdJ footballing again he should be considered by any topclub.
BBZ8800
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gerardromero(RAC1): "I have doubts whether or not Valverde will still be the Barça manager at the end of the season. Valdés wants to take over, for sure."
Valdes?!?!
I don't think that it is a joke.
GK Zubi was our sporting director.
Now our director is Abidal who was worse than Semedo in attack, and Abidal is responsible for choosing new wingers and midfielders, lol.
Hiring Valdes would be a cherry on top.
Fc Barcelona, a team who plays the most complicated possession football in the world, led by goalkeepers and defenders on key positions, who never played possession/attacking football.
With a president Barto, a current coach EV and a new coach Midfield-Maestro-Valdes
If he hire Ten Haag, Messi will enter into that season aged 33. He will be 34 in a CL semis and final.
I really doubt that a 34 years old drained, old and way slower player can play a single attacker in a modern football, even if his name is Messi.
Ajax had 5 midfielders behind an FC who run, press, shoot, defend, dribble.
We have Frenkie and maybe Griezzman.
I can imagine that system working only if you get rid of Messi (and probably Neymar), Griezmann and all older players and play it with 6 players aged 20-26.
Then again, Arthur is a possession based slow turtle, so he isn't fit for that fast football either.
Basically, you have Frenkie and you need 5 new, fresh, motivated guys who can run a lot for that system.
Piece of cake.
Sorin
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Well, my nan runs more than Messi. That's not really disproving that Tadic is not your classic striker and neither is Messi. They both rely on technique, finesse, droping back and delivering both quality passes and goals. Not sure about others but I think Messi would have fit like a glove in that position instead of Tadic for you guys. That's why I said that with Griezmann behind him Messi could work similiary to Tadic and Van den Beek.
AjaxAmsterdam
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Yeah true there are simularities like the dropping back and being more technique based but I think u underestimate how many kms Tadic runs defensively , he outruns everyone on a Ajax side that runs alot.
Ten Hag tactics are gegenpressing with the typical position switches that defines total football. I dont think Messi would shine in that , but the man is a competent trainer he didnt get the most out of FdJ at the start but figured it out so he prly would tweek his tactics to fit the best player in the world.
Griezmann on the other hand seems an auto fit for a TH system.
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