Ernesto Valverde

serghei

Senior Member
Xavi has the brain to make it. Tactically, when in possession, he would be very very good. But his personality is not the best, that's my main concern here. When you hear him talk you can tell he's intelligent, but that he is also a bit of an extremist. He still has to prove he is a leader, that he can be a great motivator and a great teacher.

To be a complete manager you must know a lot about football, including about styles and ways of playing you don't like. To beat the opponent you have to know how he is thinking.
 
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Raketa10

Senior Member
Xavi has the brain to make it. Tactically, when in possession, he would be very very good. But his personality is not the best. He still has to prove he is a leader, that he can be a great motivator and a great teacher.

To be a complete manager you must know a lot about football, including about styles and ways of playing you don't like. To beat the opponent you have to know how he is thinking.

I completely agree you have to posses psychological skills to be a top manager. Just look at Klopp and the way he motivates players. You can be the best tactician in the world but without being able to motivate your players you are doomed.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Pep plays possession football. He never stopped playing it. With Barca, Bayern, or City. City are very close to being Barcelona like in terms of style. He adapted to the Premier League, but the fundamentals of his style are the same with his days at Barcelona.
 

serghei

Senior Member
I completely agree you have to posses psychological skills to be a top manager. Just look at Klopp and the way he motivates players. You can be the best tactician in the world but without being able to motivate your players you are doomed.

Totally, the best managers are teachers. To be a good teacher you have to make the students pay attention and be willing to work, in order to implement on the field what you are learning them in trainings and tactical sessions. That is basically the motivation part.

Players evolve by learning from the best managers in the game. Almost every interested young player from Tottenham, Liverpool, City has improved because they have been working with the best teachers in football.
 

JohnN

Senior Member
Totally, the best managers are teachers. To be a good teacher you have to make the students pay attention and be willing to work, in order to implement on the field what you are learning them in trainings and tactical sessions. That is basically the motivation part.

Players evolve by learning from the best managers in the game. Almost every interested young player from Tottenham, Liverpool, City has improved because they have been working with the best teachers in football.

And the thing is, that being a good teacher has nothing to do with being a master at your art. You can be the Crème de la crème but still a bad teacher, or you can be bang average and still a great teacher.
 

MTL_Barca

Well-known member
Coaching is very complex. It goes far beyond just choosing a style and having tactical knowledge and even if you have these skills it's about teaching these things to your players. Aside from many social skills, choosing the right staff, working with the board, dealing with media and all that stuff.

Watched a lecture of Julian Nagelsmann the other day, only a short one around 30 min or so where he mainly talked about game dynamics, how to influence them, how they influence the players, how to react in game etc and it was super interesting.

One thing i liked especially was the importance of substitutes and the mindset behind them. For example in his opinion many coaches use them too late (just to take some time off the clock) and that he likes earlier subs. He also tries to focus on always thinking about what the new player can give him instead of subbing for the sake of it or to get a certain player off the field (which of course also happens, but it was more about the mindset). How he approaches certain opponents and how the subs already are part of the plan when he chooses starting 11 and match squad (not sub player X at min Y, but something like having more offensive players to swing a game after sort of stalling it out with a more defensiv lineup). How it's important to know when to bring which players as he kinda differents between "quality" and "mentality" players etc. And how to approach the game in general, that he always wants his team to be brave and needs to represent it himself, with his lineup and tactics and that being offensive is one way to influences the dynamic even outside the field for example by silencing the opponents supporters or hyping up your own.

He was also talking about how important it is for the coach to take away as much pressure and decision making from the players as possible. The coach has to always think about how the dynamic of the game is going, whats the best approach for the next minutes and of course a lot of basic work beforehand like how to attack or how to press and also protecting the players after games to make sure they don't have to worry about all that too much because that gives more time for maybe that one game deciding action.

That all is very theoretical of course, waaay easier said than done and everyday work is different. There are always politics involved and no perfect squad to make use of all players but just shows how much thought actually goes into everything.

...well or you don't think and just pass to Messi :valverde:

Sorry had to. But yeah the point was that coaching can be very complex, even at Barca where you probably don't have to think THAT hard about every opponent as you can get away with just playing your game with your world class team. I still don't think it's possible to realistically predict how someone like Xavi would approach this or how he might change personality wise over lets say 1-2 years of regular coaching. I think between Pep 2.0 and complete failure everything is possible. One additional problem could be the HUGE expectations of course, no matter if Barca comes off a bad period or off a triple there will always be the comparison to Pep and the expectations that Xavi brings back the glory days of the team he himself was part of.
 
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Sorin

Well-known member
Coaching is very complex. It goes far beyond just choosing a style and having tactical knowledge and even if you have these skills it's about teaching these things to your players. Aside from many social skills, choosing the right staff, working with the board, dealing with media and all that stuff.

Watched a lecture of Julian Nagelsmann the other day, only a short one around 30 min or so where he mainly talked about game dynamics, how to influence them, how they influence the players, how to react in game etc and it was super interesting.

One thing i liked especially was the importance of substitutes and the mindset behind them. For example in his opinion many coaches use them too late (just to take some time off the clock) and that he likes earlier subs. He also tries to focus on always thinking about what the new player can give him instead of subbing for the sake of it or to get a certain player off the field (which of course also happens, but it was more about the mindset). How he approaches certain opponents and how the subs already are part of the plan when he chooses starting 11 and match squad (not sub player X at min Y, but something like having more offensive players to swing a game after sort of stalling it out with a more defensiv lineup). How it's important to know when to bring which players as he kinda differents between "quality" and "mentality" players etc. And how to approach the game in general, that he always wants his team to be brave and needs to represent it himself, with his lineup and tactics and that being offensive is one way to influences the dynamic even outside the field for example by silencing the opponents supporters or hyping up your own.

He was also talking about how important it is for the coach to take away as much pressure and decision making from the players as possible. The coach has to always think about how the dynamic of the game is going, whats the best approach for the next minutes and of course a lot of basic work beforehand like how to attack or how to press and also protecting the players after games to make sure they don't have to worry about all that too much because that gives more time for maybe that one game deciding action.

That all is very theoretical of course, waaay easier said than done and everyday work is different. There are always politics involved and no perfect squad to make use of all players but just shows how much thought actually goes into everything.

...well or you don't think and just pass to Messi :valverde:

Sorry had to. But yeah the point was that coaching can be very complex, even at Barca where you probably don't have to think THAT hard about every opponent as you can get away with just playing your game with your world class team. I still don't think it's possible to realistically predict how someone like Xavi would approach this or how he might change personality wise over lets say 1-2 years of regular coaching. I think between Pep 2.0 and complete failure everything is possible. One additional problem could be the HUGE expectations of course, no matter if Barca comes off a bad period or off a triple there will always be the comparison to Pep and the expectations that Xavi brings back the glory days of the team he himself was part of.

I really like Nagelsmann and it's a manager we should really follow imo. It will be interesting to see how he does this season at a team with greater resources and expectations in RasenBall Leipzig.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Coaching is very complex. It goes far beyond just choosing a style and having tactical knowledge and even if you have these skills it's about teaching these things to your players. Aside from many social skills, choosing the right staff, working with the board, dealing with media and all that stuff.

Watched a lecture of Julian Nagelsmann the other day, only a short one around 30 min or so where he mainly talked about game dynamics, how to influence them, how they influence the players, how to react in game etc and it was super interesting.

One thing i liked especially was the importance of substitutes and the mindset behind them. For example in his opinion many coaches use them too late (just to take some time off the clock) and that he likes earlier subs. He also tries to focus on always thinking about what the new player can give him instead of subbing for the sake of it or to get a certain player off the field (which of course also happens, but it was more about the mindset). How he approaches certain opponents and how the subs already are part of the plan when he chooses starting 11 and match squad (not sub player X at min Y, but something like having more offensive players to swing a game after sort of stalling it out with a more defensiv lineup). How it's important to know when to bring which players as he kinda differents between "quality" and "mentality" players etc. And how to approach the game in general, that he always wants his team to be brave and needs to represent it himself, with his lineup and tactics and that being offensive is one way to influences the dynamic even outside the field for example by silencing the opponents supporters or hyping up your own.

He was also talking about how important it is for the coach to take away as much pressure and decision making from the players as possible. The coach has to always think about how the dynamic of the game is going, whats the best approach for the next minutes and of course a lot of basic work beforehand like how to attack or how to press and also protecting the players after games to make sure they don't have to worry about all that too much because that gives more time for maybe that one game deciding action.

That all is very theoretical of course, waaay easier said than done and everyday work is different. There are always politics involved and no perfect squad to make use of all players but just shows how much thought actually goes into everything.

...well or you don't think and just pass to Messi :valverde:

Sorry had to. But yeah the point was that coaching can be very complex, even at Barca where you probably don't have to think THAT hard about every opponent as you can get away with just playing your game with your world class team. I still don't think it's possible to realistically predict how someone like Xavi would approach this or how he might change personality wise over lets say 1-2 years of regular coaching. I think between Pep 2.0 and complete failure everything is possible. One additional problem could be the HUGE expectations of course, no matter if Barca comes off a bad period or off a triple there will always be the comparison to Pep and the expectations that Xavi brings back the glory days of the team he himself was part of.

Yes. Xavi has more chances to make it than others, because of the great tactical and football knowledge he has, but it's by no means guaranteed that he will become a great manager. Sure, Conte, Guardiola, Zidane, Simeone are all former great midfielders who have made the steps towards being successful managers. But it is not easy and there's a lot of things that can go wrong in the process.

But knowing this, would I still want Xavi as the manager soon? Absolutely. If there is one man out there that can become a new Guardiola in terms of vision it's Xavi no doubt, the brain of the best team ever.
 

AjaxAmsterdam

New member
Footballers often get underestimated when they start coaching.

People forgot these guys have been trained in tactics for 20 years.With strong philosophies formed by a mix of own ideas and ideas of coaches they trained under

Now not every footballer ofcourse will become a good coach but a tactical and technical mastermind like Xavi is as good as it gets as prospect.

People been critical of him going to Qatar first but I think its a perfect transition for him from footballer to coach to see if the job clicks with him and if its someth he wants to do.

Great coaches dont fall out of the sky, they get made. Guardiola learned from cruyff , ten hag learned from guardiola etc etc. You can often see a clear line to success.
 
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serghei

Senior Member
Footballers often get underestimated when they start coaching.

People forgot these guys have been trained in tactics for 20 years.With strong philosophies formed by a mix of own ideas and ideas of coaches they trained under

Now not every footballer ofcourse will become a good coach but a tactical and technical mastermind like Xavi is as good as it gets as prospect.

People been critical of him going to Qatar first but I think its a perfect transition for him from footballer to coach to see if the job clicks with him and if its someth he wants to do.

Great coaches dont fall out of the sky, they get made. Guardiola learned from cruyff , ten hag learned from guardiola etc etc. You can often see a clear line to success.

It's good in the sense that it will help him to work with players who aren't very advanced regarding the complex positional game tactics. So in this sense he will build a much needed quality for a manager: patience and understanding with players who maybe aren't that gifted footballers. It is important to realize that most players, even the ones at teams like Barcelona, won't be able to play the way he wants from the start. It took more than a year for Pep to make this City team a recognizable Guardiola side, and we're talking about top quality players here.

Another issue that is common with former legendary players when they turn into managers is that they use their own image about themselves as players when dealing with their squads. So they will forever be frustrated and angry, because let's face it, Xavi as a manager will probably never have the chance to work with players like himself, Iniesta and Messi.

So if Xavi the manager would expect whatever midfielders he has at Barcelona to play like 2011 Xavi and Iniesta, that's a recipe for disaster. Because that is almost impossible.
 
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EdmondDantes

New member
Ernesto Valverde: "I can't include everyone in the squad list or play with 8 midfielders. It's the English people's fault for deciding to play football with 11 players."


No; it's called poor squad planning you inept dunce.
 

hulinat

New member
oh my god, how can you have such an incompetent pussy managing 'the best club in the world'?

you can clearly see all the insecurities every time he speaks in front of press and its so obvious he doesn't even know why he was chosen to manage a club of Barca's caliber nor does he have any interest in becoming a better manager because he cant!

literally his interviews are comparable to Bale's "Hurr we won because be scored more goals Durrr".
 
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