European Super League

[frostdude1]

People believed UEFAs propaganda that the super league would kill football. NO.
The super league is the only thing that will save football. Because if we stay the way we are, no one will be able to match the money spent by clubs owned by oil money.

 

[Jenks]

Let's ignore for a moment the fact that Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus and Bayern all have higher wage bills that Man City... how exactly does the oil clubs spending lots of money hurt football? The health of the game has nothing to do with the health or success of Barcelona or La Liga. If you grossly mismanage your competition or your club(s) then you deserve to suffer for it. If Barcelona have to sell lots of players and end up spending a season or two in mid-table that is not a sign that something is wrong with the game.

Fans in Spain have been a complete embarrassment to the sport throughout this entire saga. That they would sacrifice the game to a group of American, Russian and Middle Eastern oligarchs to do with as they please is pathetic. And for what? To keep afloat the two clubs that are bleeding the league dry in the first place? An NFL style league outside of FIFA would be a travesty, and I'm glad there's no chance of it happening.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Let's ignore for a moment the fact that Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus and Bayern all have higher wage bills that Man City...

Source? Barca yes, Madrid perhaps, but Juventus and especially Bayern, having a higher wage bill than City? Really?

how exactly does the oil clubs spending lots of money hurt football? The health of the game has nothing to do with the health or success of Barcelona or La Liga. If you grossly mismanage your competition or your club(s) then you deserve to suffer for it. If Barcelona have to sell lots of players and end up spending a season or two in mid-table that is not a sign that something is wrong with the game.

Because if uncontrolled (by the FFP or something similar), it creates an unfair advantage for these state clubs that other can't match, for starters. They can outspend everybody in transfers and wages paid without any problems. Also, they will drive up prices for everybody else.

Fans in Spain have been a complete embarrassment to the sport throughout this entire saga. That they would sacrifice the game to a group of American, Russian and Middle Eastern oligarchs to do with as they please is pathetic. And for what? To keep afloat the two clubs that are bleeding the league dry in the first place? An NFL style league outside of FIFA would be a travesty, and I'm glad there's no chance of it happening.

What does that even mean?

 

[Jenks]

Source? Barca yes, Madrid perhaps, but Juventus and especially Bayern, having a higher wage bill than City? Really?

https://salarysport.com/football/bundesliga/fc-bayern-münchen/
https://salarysport.com/football/serie-a/juventus/
https://salarysport.com/football/premier-league/manchester-city-f.c./

Because if uncontrolled (by the FFP or something similar), it creates an unfair advantage for these state clubs that other can't match, for starters. They can outspend everybody in transfers and wages paid without any problems. Also, they will drive up prices for everybody else.

a) there is FFP
b) they're not outspending everyone in transfers and wages
c) all of this would be true inside or outside a super league

This idea that the plight of Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus has been caused by oil clubs is pure copium.

What does that even mean?

The game at the highest level would be controlled by billionaire owners instead of football people. Within a couple of decades it probably wouldn't even be football any more.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

People believed UEFAs propaganda that the super league would kill football. NO.
The super league is the only thing that will save football. Because if we stay the way we are, no one will be able to match the money spent by clubs owned by oil money.

Hopefully, this wakes up other teams.

Chelsea, PSG, and City show why this can't continue. They have a too big an edge with their money.

Of course, Corona time makes it look worse too. Everyone else is suffering and they can keep blowing their money with no problem. That's a huge edge..

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Let's ignore for a moment the fact that Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus and Bayern all have higher wage bills that Man City... how exactly does the oil clubs spending lots of money hurt football? The health of the game has nothing to do with the health or success of Barcelona or La Liga. If you grossly mismanage your competition or your club(s) then you deserve to suffer for it. If Barcelona have to sell lots of players and end up spending a season or two in mid-table that is not a sign that something is wrong with the game.

Fans in Spain have been a complete embarrassment to the sport throughout this entire saga. That they would sacrifice the game to a group of American, Russian and Middle Eastern oligarchs to do with as they please is pathetic. And for what? To keep afloat the two clubs that are bleeding the league dry in the first place? An NFL style league outside of FIFA would be a travesty, and I'm glad there's no chance of it happening.

I doubt Barca wages are higher than those clubs anymore, Messi leaving saved a lot of money, Suarez was high earner too etc. and if we get rid of Pjanic/Umtiti. That's a lot of money off our wage and some players took cuts.

 

[FC433]

 

[Luftstalag14]

https://salarysport.com/football/bundesliga/fc-bayern-münchen/
https://salarysport.com/football/serie-a/juventus/
https://salarysport.com/football/premier-league/manchester-city-f.c./

Salarysport is bogus, for example their wage bill for Barca for 2020 (which I can't find now, their site is only displaying 2021 numbers) was only around 300m euros I remember, way too low. Barca's wage bill for 2021 is only at 280m euros, and that includes Messi's. Too low to be true.

a) there is FFP
b) they're not outspending everyone in transfers and wages
c) all of this would be true inside or outside a super league

This idea that the plight of Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus has been caused by oil clubs is pure copium.

European-wide FFP is voided because of COVID, it is up to each league to enforce however they like it. Every league relaxed and ignored FFP for the 20/21 season as far as I know, but some leagues have put its national equivalent of the FFP back in for the 21/22 season, for example Spain. Definitely not in France, not sure about England. With FFP, how do you really justify the likes of PSG and City that have spent big without selling that much in this window?

Don't know enough about the ESL, but I suppose there will be some sort of FFP in place, otherwise the likes of City, PSG and Chelsea will till outspend everybody, with or without the ESL.

The game at the highest level would be controlled by billionaire owners instead of football people. Within a couple of decades it probably wouldn't even be football any more.

So we should just succumb to this, offer the club to some billionaire or better yet, some state to buy and it is an open race for all, a game of survival of the richest?

 

[El Gato]

Salarysport is bogus, for example their wage bill for Barca for 2020 (which I can't find now, their site is only displaying 2021 numbers) was only around 300m euros I remember, way too low. Barca's wage bill for 2021 is only at 280m euros, and that includes Messi's. Too low to be true.

How dare you suggest a site with this level of depth

provides unreliable data!

Jenksy clicking the first 5 links of a google search and thinking he knows how much folk earn.

 

[Mateka]

Apologies for the poor copy. UEFA 2018 wages.

20 clubs with largest wage bills
Club Licensing Benchmarking Report: Financial Year 2018

1. Barca 529m
2. Real 431m
3. PSG 337 m
4.M United 334m
5 Bayern 315m
6 M City 314m

Wage inflation at the top two Spanish clubs
15 of the top 20 clubs report ratios of 70% or less
Of the 20 highest-paying clubs, five – FC Barcelona, Everton FC, Leicester City FC, AS Monaco FC and Crystal Palace FC – reported a wage bill of over 70% of total revenue. Meanwhile, 10 clubs recorded healthy wage-to-revenue ratios of 60% or less.
CONTENTS OVERVIEW 89

Like Real Madrid CF in 2017, FC Barcelona reported the largest wage increase in absolute terms (€151m), becoming the first club ever to record a total wage bill in excess of €500m. Everton FC (47%), AS Monaco FC (34%), Paris Saint-Germain FC (24%) and Liverpool FC (22%) also reported sizeable increases in their wage bills in FY2018. For some of them, this can be attributed to success bonuses paid following successful sporting result.
UEFA.

It is clear by looking at the top two where inflationary wages came from.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Of course, it's only natural Barcelona and Madrid had huge wage bills. They had the best teams from 2010-2020 (on average) and the two best players in the world. (that's never cheap).

I think we went crazy after the 2015 win treble, yet we didn't re-sign Alves, because of wage demands(I think). Bad choice there.

Our biggest mistake was not realizing when players were past it. Giving Busi way too long a contract, not selling Roberto, when possible, etc. We hold on to too many players for too long. A football team needs to work in a bit harsh way. You can't keep guys who are not improving or not bringing enough for their salary. Barcelona became a holiday destination, there was no more attitude of working hard towards trophies and success.

 

[Mateka]

Barca’s wages were 200m above PSG/Utd/Bayern/City

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Barca’s wages were 200m above PSG/Utd/Bayern/City

Who knows how much PSG pays under the table and City.

Bayern was always careful financially. United was giving terrible salaries to mediocre players yes.

 

[Sterlingfan2000]

Bring on this league , we can't compete with England / PSG

 

[Jenks]

Bring on this league , we can't compete with England / PSG

Then how can Bayern? Barcelona is in the state that it is through gross mismanagement, not a lack of funds. Griezmann is earning twice the salary that the highest paid player at City is.