Sterlingfan2000
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They signed binding agreements, they can't leave
European Super League
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KingLeo10
Senior Member
With no RM, Barcelona, AM, Juventus, Milan, Inter, CL is not all that either.
Messigician
Senior Member
Fuck the British
Mateka
New member
But we still have EPL. A secondary cup against Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig and PSG plus whosoever, would still be good.
ESL blew it by setting it up as a cartel with no promotion or relegation.
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JamDav1982
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Then it comes down to do likes of Bayern and PSG like playing in an uncompetitive league with far less income than the ESL or EPL and in a 'secondary cup' that would no longer provide as much income either.
In that scenario would they rather join one of the two big leagues.... and EPL will never allow them to go there.
If ESL goes ahead it will be fine without English teams and could quickly become highest profile league going.
Decisions would have to be made by top Dutch, Portugese, other French teams and even those in Scotland if they would rather be part of that league system or UEFA.
Would become a battle for power between EPL/UEFA and the ESL.
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MTL_Barca
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Well teams are playing in UEFA competitions, that should come with a massive catalog of rules/obligations/whatever itself. Don't think anyone without detailed knowledge can really say how exactly the legal situation looks like.
The example also doesn't really work imo, because it's not like UEFA can just ban these teams from football. But for their own competitions and potentially breach of contract that would be a different situation. But again for that we'd need to know what legal power the UEFA has there. UEFA/la liga etc also can't forbid clubs to spend money or sign players, we've even seen that at Barca with the "transfer ban", but registration for their respective competitions is different.
Either way though, IF clubs really push for it UEFA can't do much about it. They'll try to stop it, they can threaten them within their own competitions but they don't have a monopoly on football itself so there will be a way out eventually. If this benefits football as a whole and us fans, well that's a different story. Devide would certainly suck imo, that would just mean both competitions are kinda meaningless in the end.
Mateka
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At present Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig and PSG appear quite happy playing in their domestic league. They rejected ESL.
Those teams plus EPL would still be a formidable CL to play in.
Dutch, Portugese, other French teams and Scotland would have to make a decision, but a promotion/ relegation local league, plus CL and satisfying UEFA still looks more attractive than the alternative.
Those teams plus EPL would still be a formidable CL to play in.
Dutch, Portugese, other French teams and Scotland would have to make a decision, but a promotion/ relegation local league, plus CL and satisfying UEFA still looks more attractive than the alternative.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
Current situation is irrelevant if things change as outlined.
Then lets see if those teams are happy with their situation.
The CL you mention would be devalued in prestige and in finances.
Wait and see. If a split happens it wont all stay same bar teams that want to join now.
A CL without the two biggest clubs in the world means a lot less and from there it is a CL that EPL teams can dominate on finances even more.
Then lets see if those teams are happy with their situation.
The CL you mention would be devalued in prestige and in finances.
Wait and see. If a split happens it wont all stay same bar teams that want to join now.
A CL without the two biggest clubs in the world means a lot less and from there it is a CL that EPL teams can dominate on finances even more.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
It wouldn't be a super league if the English teams don't participate. Viewership, payout, everything will be much less, to the point of making no sense to have a separate one from the CL.
They can keep pushing but it is not happening.
They can keep pushing but it is not happening.
Well, thats the only option at this point, because its quite clear that the EPL-teams won't join.
Birdy
Senior Member
YET
I am sure in 23 or 24 it will start, and the EPL teams will join either then or a few years later.
It's the logic of the development of the sport, and it will happen.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
I am not so sure at all. Fans and governments everywhere are opposing it, the odds are greatly against the ESL.
I don't see a way out for them.
Windhook
Well-known member
If ESL happens for real I can see it will dominate in revenue over CL and then in few years others as EPL and Bundesliga will soften to join the tournament. Petrodollar clubs like PSG, Man City and Newcastle will be whatever.
Then it will revert back to Champions League brand in partnership with UEFA (the scenario requires a new elected president, I guess), with core big clubs retaining some serious control over it. Thus closing the door for Eastern European clubs in the process, something that was reality before UEFA divided the group qualification between best placed teams and champion teams from inferior leagues.
In the end I cannot imagine the most succesful club in Europe, Real Madrid, to leave behind 13 CL/European Cup trophies in history and start from scratch. "Okay it's year zero!"
Then it will revert back to Champions League brand in partnership with UEFA (the scenario requires a new elected president, I guess), with core big clubs retaining some serious control over it. Thus closing the door for Eastern European clubs in the process, something that was reality before UEFA divided the group qualification between best placed teams and champion teams from inferior leagues.
In the end I cannot imagine the most succesful club in Europe, Real Madrid, to leave behind 13 CL/European Cup trophies in history and start from scratch. "Okay it's year zero!"
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
Neither can the CL be called the CL without the Spanish and Italian teams in it.
Of course it can go ahead without the EPL teams. The whole reason for this is the EPL taking over and becoming so financially strong.
A ESL with top European teams in it can challenge the EPL and spending power with or without those English teams.
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