Vilarrubi
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Quality this mate, hope it goes viral and makes it way back to the Barca offices.
There is literally no tactics with Valverde, just pass to Messi and hope.
FC Barcelona tactics under Ernesto Valverde - matches analysis with pics
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Quality this mate, hope it goes viral and makes it way back to the Barca offices.
There is literally no tactics with Valverde, just pass to Messi and hope.
xXKonan
Senior Member
People complaining about the likes of Arthur for playing it safe realize guys like him and FDJ are players who thrive on movement.
What's the point of playing it risky when there's a 99.9% chance the ball doesn't get to it's intended target to create chances when the positioning is criminal.
What's the point of playing it risky when there's a 99.9% chance the ball doesn't get to it's intended target to create chances when the positioning is criminal.
serghei
Senior Member
Arthur and Frenkie are so limited by this systemic disease that Valverde has infected us with it's not even funny. They are literally the most skilled in the areas that Ernesto Valverde has deemed not important.
They are steak masters in a restaurant that is now serving vegan food.
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Did you see this video?
It's not all about tall players, workhorses
messi2140
6racies Xavi
Great video man. A possible explanation for those huge gaps in the middle besides Valverde being a dumb fuck , is that maybe he was hoping Messi would hop in with crutches and fill those holes. Had a quick look of heatmaps between the midfielders of Barca vs Man City , what a stark difference.
You got the City midfielders being really dynamic especially KdB and Rodri and moving throughout the whole midfield causing the heatmap to barely have any red areas.
Meanwhile grandpa Busquets is barely moving and Sergi Roberto didnt even set foot on the left side of the midfield.
And then you have FdJ spending most of his time being a LM which has to be one of the biggest jokes.
But Ernesto " league master" Valverde is not at fault here , cleary he just has average to garbage players at his disposal.
You got the City midfielders being really dynamic especially KdB and Rodri and moving throughout the whole midfield causing the heatmap to barely have any red areas.
Meanwhile grandpa Busquets is barely moving and Sergi Roberto didnt even set foot on the left side of the midfield.
And then you have FdJ spending most of his time being a LM which has to be one of the biggest jokes.
But Ernesto " league master" Valverde is not at fault here , cleary he just has average to garbage players at his disposal.
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Messigician
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EV does press more than Lucho at least.
serghei
Senior Member
I will over the course of next 1-2 months or so do a complete analysis of the Barcelona - Madrid 5-0 game during Guardiola, in 5 parts or so. Will analyze everything, even the parts that don't lead to chances and are as such not included in highlights montages. Even the mistakes, although they are very few.
Hopefully, we will all understand better several important things, some individual things about players like Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, Messi, how they came to be that dominat, things about Puyol even, and Pique at that time, the underrated role of Abidal in the team the consistent and tireless work of Pedro, and even how well David Villa played that year for us under Guardiola. Also it will show how the system was above everything else, and how key players were not passed to just because they were open, and because they were individually better than others. How the mind and governed everything about how we attacked, not just the names on the back of the shirt.
That game and the Wembley final with United, are the best games to watch the full expression of the main principles of possession football. What they are and how are they supposed to work. Which are: position, fluidity, compactness, 3rd man runs, triangulation, pressing and counter-pressing, teammate orientation, overloads in the areas of the ball, ball and man oriented zonal defending with fortified zones and neglected zones. Everything there is to know so we can see what you need to do to play possession football effectively today. And how far are these concepts compared with what you saw under Valverde, and what you will see form this Barcelona this season probably as well.
Also, it doesn't mean I expect all Barca teams to play like that. But it is useful to use it as a model to see what are some of the things we need to do to get close to our best football. And it is not that dependent on players like Xavi. We have City as an example. Fernandinho, Gundogan, Bernardo, Sterling. Neither of these players have anything to do with La Masia or Barcelona, and neither is a generational player. Yet, they can all play like that. It is teachable, and playable even with players like Zinchenko, or low IQ players like Walker, Otamendi. You do not have to understand the complexity of these tactics as a player. You need to listen to the manager, and play it the way the manager asks you to.
Hopefully, we will all understand better several important things, some individual things about players like Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, Messi, how they came to be that dominat, things about Puyol even, and Pique at that time, the underrated role of Abidal in the team the consistent and tireless work of Pedro, and even how well David Villa played that year for us under Guardiola. Also it will show how the system was above everything else, and how key players were not passed to just because they were open, and because they were individually better than others. How the mind and governed everything about how we attacked, not just the names on the back of the shirt.
That game and the Wembley final with United, are the best games to watch the full expression of the main principles of possession football. What they are and how are they supposed to work. Which are: position, fluidity, compactness, 3rd man runs, triangulation, pressing and counter-pressing, teammate orientation, overloads in the areas of the ball, ball and man oriented zonal defending with fortified zones and neglected zones. Everything there is to know so we can see what you need to do to play possession football effectively today. And how far are these concepts compared with what you saw under Valverde, and what you will see form this Barcelona this season probably as well.
Also, it doesn't mean I expect all Barca teams to play like that. But it is useful to use it as a model to see what are some of the things we need to do to get close to our best football. And it is not that dependent on players like Xavi. We have City as an example. Fernandinho, Gundogan, Bernardo, Sterling. Neither of these players have anything to do with La Masia or Barcelona, and neither is a generational player. Yet, they can all play like that. It is teachable, and playable even with players like Zinchenko, or low IQ players like Walker, Otamendi. You do not have to understand the complexity of these tactics as a player. You need to listen to the manager, and play it the way the manager asks you to.
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LABarcaFan
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Before starting this post, I would like to make it clear that I am not trying to ignore the tactical mistakes and the luck of motivation from E.Valverde. But, lets be realistic for a moment. Any comparison between him and Lucho or Pep is nonsense. The last two were just lucky enough to have the golden era of Barcelona as a team. At the back, they have had young and motivated Puyol and Pique with Mascherano playing at very high level, same as D.Alves and E.Abidal. They were also lucky to have arguably the best midfielders of our history in Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta. At the front line, they had two absolutely superstars in their primes - Leo Messi and L.Suarez. Even players like Pedro and Villa were playing at a very high level.
Today's Barcelona team has nothing of that anymore. Pique, Alba, Busquets, Messi, Vidal and Suarez are not even close to what they were at that time. Semedo, Firpo, Umtiti, Todibo,S.Roberto, Alena, Rafinha and Dembele are just mid-level players. Even Griezmann has not shown yet why we have pad 120 million euros for him.
Do you really think that Lucho and Pep could win La Liga and the Champions League with this current Barcelona team? Think twice, before you answer to this question.
Today's Barcelona team has nothing of that anymore. Pique, Alba, Busquets, Messi, Vidal and Suarez are not even close to what they were at that time. Semedo, Firpo, Umtiti, Todibo,S.Roberto, Alena, Rafinha and Dembele are just mid-level players. Even Griezmann has not shown yet why we have pad 120 million euros for him.
Do you really think that Lucho and Pep could win La Liga and the Champions League with this current Barcelona team? Think twice, before you answer to this question.
FinBarcelonafan
Well-known member
Downplaying Griezmann is so weird on this forum. The guy has been top5 player in the world last 5 years.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
They are even shitting on Vavlerde on r/barca. At this point you can count the amount of clowns that are still defending this pile of shit on one hand.
soul24rage
Senior Member
even the likes of tackle and sunyol had enough of retardo. I'm still very surprised there are people who are actually defending this guy except for the board and some of the players.
serghei
Senior Member
Let's go at this logically.
1)
Ernesto Valverde is an average manager. Proven, tested, pretty much a certainty. More demanding fans would go as far as calling him terrible with good reason. Most lenient of fans would could probably name him decent. Everything more and we go into delusion territory. Average and decent are already generous terms for Valverde.
2)
Barcelona with Ernesto Valverde had to at worst lose a football game by 3 goals while scoring, that is losing 4-1, 5-2, to play a CL final vs Tottenham.
3)
We almost knocked out Tottenham for CL playing with a 2nd string side at Camp Nou. Beat them 4-2 away.
It is very probable that we would have eliminated Liverpool last year from CL and beat Tottenham in the final, if we had a competent manager.
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