JamDav1982
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Base on what seen of both do you think Puig is better than Valverde?
I think folk have a fair idea of what Puig brings.
Federico Valverde
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Base on what seen of both do you think Puig is better than Valverde?
I think folk have a fair idea of what Puig brings.
Well, one set of players get to play, while the others dont, so cant really argue against it at the moment.
Valverde was good, then he just got benched.
Martin was one on top of the chance creation stats last season for Sociedad, but Zidane isnt giving him minutes either.
Could really use a chance creator in midfield, Kroos and Modric are good, but neither are chance creators, Martin could give us something different, but Isco is prefered for some reason....
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Being top of chances created for Odegaard doesnt always translate if not a role will get at Real.
At Sociedad may have been on every FK, corner, have team built round him and allowed freedom to move/less defensive responsibility etc.
Extreme comparison but can remember Liverpool buying Charlie Adam on his stats for Blackpool when it was never going to translate to them.
serghei
Senior Member
Could be Zidane's fault. I rate Odegaard and Vinicius the highest among all Madrid's young players.
The problem is, whenever facing a defensive team, Zidane's approach is extremely rigid and conventional. I know it by heart already. Opponent sets deep and compact, Madrid drift the game wide and either pour crosses or have Vinicius trying 1 vs 1s.
You either have few players good on short space combinations, or you have a manager who dislikes that, or both. Point is very rarely I see Madrid trying to play trough the more crowded zones. Their by the numbers crossing approach doesn't work without Ronaldo and some inspired fullbacks.
Barca are a bit different. Won't drift the game wide as much. Partly because a crossing game is not in our favor (is not in Madrid favor either after Ronaldo left btw), and partly because our players seem to have superior technique and associative skills for combinations in small pockets of space (what people commonly refer to with tiki-taka term).
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El Gato
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The funny part is that such a big portion of the English-speaking media will rationalise any decision Zidane and Perez make to the extent that nepotism doesnt even figure into discussion in the media around the club.
Back in 2009 the club was struggling so hard to give an apt farewell to Raul and Guti. Now that Zidane is manager it’s as if folks think just because he lived through reality of what RM is, he will make every decision accordingly and correctly.
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Valverde is incredible in making the right decision. Watching him I just hope he misplaces a pass or dribbles straight into a defender. But he rarely does.
He's definitely good enough to be a starter for Madrid and was one of, if not the, best player before he got injured.
'Basic' player might be true to describe his playing style. Basic as in he masters everything on the pitch, and it's not like Roberto who's average at most things, Valverde is at least good at everything he does.
Very reactionary post indeed.
serghei
Senior Member
I've seen Valverde vs City and him as all of Madrid's midfield been outclassed on Bernabeu without too much trouble. Valverde has to prove himself under the big lights too. He's not even a clear starter for Madrid as of now.
Sure, he's ahead of Pedri in terms of experience and playing time, but in terms of quality, Pedri is the more special player, the one who surprises you with bits of magic. Valverde not so much, for me at least. I see others are in awe of him. To each his own I guess...
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El Gato
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Yeah, the serghei special
'find a match Fede played in and midfield played poorly' -> 'use this as proof for Fede being poor'
Imagine thinking this and that Frenkie is not a clown on the basis of being outclassed in the biggest humiliation in Barca's CL history under big lights.
Camp Nou big lights not big enough or what? Direct meetings vs Atleti? Or is the big light only big when you have City or Liverpool on the other side? The hell is Pedri even doing in the argument then? Lmao, mong.
Terrible argument once again. Fede not starting now is the case, which would be akin to you having Fati an in-form Griezmann, Suarez and Messi and leaving the lad on the bench because the other 3 play well together. Yet here we are being asked to consider it as proof of something. Haha.
Cruyffist dogmatism is a hell of a drug as ever. So easy to predict who serghei will rate and so piss easy to refute the inconsistency in takes.
El Gato
Villarato!
I absolutely do keep you on ignore, but a) I see your posts in quotes and b) the browser for whatever reason logs me out whenever I open Barcaforum in a different tab so when logged out I see your nonsense in the sidebar, so might as well reply when I see something that's clearly illogical. Don't worry, it's not like anyone treats it seriously. I've done quite well without seeing your Koeman-esque whining about referee conspiracies too.
serghei
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