Hans-Dieter Flick
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I hate this narrative that we excuse the offside just because we had a bad performance afterwards.
We have VAR precisely to get these kind of incidents right. And not have games turn or change off of incorrect calls.
If Lewandowski foot is a mm infront then find I go along with that. It's the rules and that's how the calls have been going for us.
But here it appears the foot is behind the defenders and the VAR miscalculated the body parts of each person. That's the issue here.
We have VAR precisely to get these kind of incidents right. And not have games turn or change off of incorrect calls.
If Lewandowski foot is a mm infront then find I go along with that. It's the rules and that's how the calls have been going for us.
But here it appears the foot is behind the defenders and the VAR miscalculated the body parts of each person. That's the issue here.
serghei
Senior Member
On the other hand VAR was never meant to be a perfect system. This automated offside is new. Maybe in time it will be improved.
Agreed. If we win the title I'll take the better football of Flick even on lower point average.
Agreed. If we win the title I'll take the better football of Flick even on lower point average.
companyofcules
Well-known member
So it is a robbery after all.
This frame will get the result offside from the automatic system. The frame is selected by the human not by the system. Guess what happened. The issue with this frame is that FDJ has not made the pass yet.
Never doubt Franco Madrid
This frame will get the result offside from the automatic system. The frame is selected by the human not by the system. Guess what happened. The issue with this frame is that FDJ has not made the pass yet.
Never doubt Franco Madrid
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
Great - means we are on track for a league win and will not get grouped in the CL either.
The official statement was that the calls are made at the point that the person in possession first makes contact with the ball, and not when it leaves contact of the foot.
It said that at the point that Frenkie touches the ball, Lewy foot was slightly ahead, and then that at the point of the images, that the defender had planted the foot behind Lewys.
I think that at this point it would be a great opportunity to release this evidence, and the referee conversations to solve what happened cleanly.
What we are seeing right now are images being released slightly before Frenkie makes contact, images being released slightly after Frenkie making contact and this doesn't help anything bar the soap opera.
Messi983
Senior Member
WTF?
serghei
Senior Member
True. He's doing a great job so far, but needs to be more careful in away games. It's a shame to beat Madrid, gain a big advantage, only to waste it vs midtable clubs.
His two flaws atm are match management (notoriously hard away matches in La Liga should be priority zero) and lack of flexibility. When the team is too tired to press intensely, you need to adjust accordingly and still get the 3 pts. He seems to have no plan B.
serghei
Senior Member
If you ask anyone that knows Spanish football, you'd get Madrid, Atletico, Bilbao, Sociedad, Osasuna, Betis as probably the hardest away games of the season.
Seems to me he is not fully aware of the difficulty of the league. Matches in Spain away from home are very fierce and tough battles. And league always comes first instead of some matches vs 4th tier teams in CL.
No more fucking around or we could find Madrid, that everyone is mocking now, is suddenly level on points with us, while having had more difficult schedule.
Seems to me he is not fully aware of the difficulty of the league. Matches in Spain away from home are very fierce and tough battles. And league always comes first instead of some matches vs 4th tier teams in CL.
No more fucking around or we could find Madrid, that everyone is mocking now, is suddenly level on points with us, while having had more difficult schedule.
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Total-Football
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What r u talking about.. the CL is actually more Important especially financially + we lost to monacco + we aim for top 8 + playing in serbia was not easy
. There is no grounds to that claim that he should have prioritized sociedad over that game.
MontenegrinCuler
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If we rested everybody against Red Star as if some here would probably do in Flick's position, it is very questionable how the match would end. We struggled even with the team we started in last minutes of the 2nd half and Red Star was for some time an even better team.
That being said he should have, without a doubt, subbed off a few players in the 2nd half. It was 4-1 I think somewhere around 65th minute. It was perfect time to make the subs.
But I don't think Sociedad match was a result of our players being tired. It was simply a day off, a crazy good performance from our opponent with a poor performance overall from Barca along with a huge robbery for one goal that would have turned the momentum in our favour.
That being said he should have, without a doubt, subbed off a few players in the 2nd half. It was 4-1 I think somewhere around 65th minute. It was perfect time to make the subs.
But I don't think Sociedad match was a result of our players being tired. It was simply a day off, a crazy good performance from our opponent with a poor performance overall from Barca along with a huge robbery for one goal that would have turned the momentum in our favour.
serghei
Senior Member
Winning things is always the most important. League comes first. I can understand prioritizing CL matches when the rivals are comparable teams to us. Not when you play 2 of the worst teams in the entire competition.
Flick is new to the league. I suspect pretty soon he will understand Spanish teams defend at a completely different level to what he's used to facing in Bundesliga.
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