Messigician
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Pseudoscience
Hans-Dieter Flick
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Messigician
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No it isn’t, it’s pseudoscience
Messigician
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There is no scientific evidence cryotherapy does anything
BusiTheKing
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Nice to see attackers with the freedom to attack instead of having to hug the sideline for 90 mins.
MontenegrinCuler
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"Cryotherapy is used in an effort to relieve muscle pain, sprains and swelling after soft tissue damage or surgery. When a musculoskeletal injury occurs, the body sends signals to our inflammatory cells, macrophages, which release IGF-1. IGF-1 is a hormone-insulin-like growth factor which initiates the termination of damaged tissue. In some cases, this inflammatory response can be aggravated and cause increased swelling and edema, which can actually prolong the recovery process. For decades, it has been commonly used to accelerate recovery in athletes after exercise. Cryotherapy decreases the temperature of tissue surfaces to minimize hypoxic cell death, edema accumulation, and muscle spasms. Minimising each or all of these ultimately alleviates discomfort and inflammation. It can involve a range of treatments, from the application of ice packs or immersion in ice baths(generally known as cold therapy), to the use of cold chambers."
This is straight outta Wikipedia page. I've seen some people question it's effectiveness but it's not pseudoscience, various clubs and athletes use it on regular basis. CR7 himself apparently has a chamber for this thing in his mansions too. Leicester used it during 2016 EPL winning season. A lot of examples. I don't believe it can help much but players like Pedri should give it a try.
Messigician
Senior Member
Are you dumb stupid or dumb? HUH?
But while that may sound great, there's really no scientific proof that whole-body cryotherapy is safe, or any evidence to support claims about its health benefits
From a study by Harvard university
Is whole-body cryotherapy effective and safe? - Harvard Health
Whole-body cryotherapy is a yet unproven technology that may bring risks....
www.health.harvard.edu
MontenegrinCuler
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This is 6 years ago lol, pretty possible things have changed a little on that matter. I wouldn't know, I'm not a doctor but I guess somebody would acknowledge if this was a proven pseudoscience on wikipedia page. Either way, this Harvard guy only came up with a "Nah, it's pseudoscience" with no further elaboration or contradiction to the arguments in favour, which he also mentioned in the answer by the way.Are you dumb stupid or dumb? HUH?
But while that may sound great, there's really no scientific proof that whole-body cryotherapy is safe, or any evidence to support claims about its health benefits
From a study by Harvard university
Is whole-body cryotherapy effective and safe? - Harvard Health
Whole-body cryotherapy is a yet unproven technology that may bring risks....
Additionally, no reason for personal attacks. Your personal distress shouldn't affect people on this forum or elsewhere on the internet. Say what you have with argument and respect.
Messigician
Senior Member
There is a reason I said there’s no scientific evidence and you copy and pasted a Wikipedia article lol the opposite of scientific
Loki
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There are some good german articles about Cryo chambers from sports doctors.
They say this is very difficult to prove scientifically whether positive effects can really be attributed to the cold. It doesn't mean that the cold doesn't help though. There is evidence for example, that cold helps with some inflammation in the body.
There are also smaller studies that say that cold therapy strengthens the immune system and also has a positive effect on the psyche because the cold releases endorphins and dopamine.
And the most important point is, I quote: "If you feel good after going into the cold chamber, a lot of positive things have already been achieved."
So yeah, bottom line is there is no scientific evidence, but it doesn't mean it's useless.
They say this is very difficult to prove scientifically whether positive effects can really be attributed to the cold. It doesn't mean that the cold doesn't help though. There is evidence for example, that cold helps with some inflammation in the body.
There are also smaller studies that say that cold therapy strengthens the immune system and also has a positive effect on the psyche because the cold releases endorphins and dopamine.
And the most important point is, I quote: "If you feel good after going into the cold chamber, a lot of positive things have already been achieved."
So yeah, bottom line is there is no scientific evidence, but it doesn't mean it's useless.
MontenegrinCuler
Well-known member
Well yeah I guess that if scientific evidence was complete it'd be used much more and we'd approach it earlier too.
Good that Flick came up with this though, they should try. I hope overall improvement in players fitness and this thing helps injury prone players a little bit at least.
Maradona37
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Interesting debate on cryotherapy. After playing hard at football for three hours on Friday I feel like I need Mr Freeze's suit now.
Maradona37
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Yeah, even if the benefits are contested it surely can't hurt to try.
What I can say is that my muscles feel better when they're sore and I put ice on them. And I often feel cooler and much more at ease mentally, so I believe there's something in this cryoptherapy thing (even if the mental effects are maybe a placebo).
Like you say it's contested but can't hurt to try surely.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Dont believe all you read.
This is not a new idea at Barca.
What has happened here is some videos of Barca players in ice baths after the game and someone has decided to write a story about Flicks approach.
This is not a new idea at Barca.
What has happened here is some videos of Barca players in ice baths after the game and someone has decided to write a story about Flicks approach.
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