Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?


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FC B

Senior Member
Liverpool 1st half of the season was easily top2 in the world

2nd half of the season they are 👎👎👎

I really doubt that Pool would have destroyed Real 3-0 🫣

Arsenal beat Madrid 3-0 mostly because of two wonder FKs by Rice, not by a great game made by the whole team and also Madrid being shit.

LFC could've been in that position too with a great day from Salah for example even though they always bended to Madrid in recent years.
 

freetocan

Member
All our objectives LL, CdR and CL can be won IF Flick is smart and fast acting enough in rotating / resting our important players Pedri and Lamine Yamal. We should treat each remaining LL game like a final before we accumulated enough points toward final stage.
As soon as we get 2 goals advantage, Pedri and Lamine Yamal need to be substituted, NOT after 80 min of play. We realy do not need to win all LL games by 3-4 goals difference. A 1-0, 2-1 would be suficient to get all 3 points. After we have 2 goals advantage, rotate and kill the game by passing the ball around. No other team can beat us in passing the ball around. We need to take a very good care of these two guys first hand.
In mine opinion, similar treatment should apply to Balde, Cubarsi, Kounde, Gavi (if starts the game), Raphinia. Not saying that he SHOULD find a way to rotate much often Lewanflopski with either Ferran Torres or Pau Victor. It should not happen anymore like in last game against Dortmund, when you lead 4-0 and still keep Yamal on the pitch waiting him to draw your attention and sub him.
Somebody may say that Yamal did so to make a favour to Fati to get some minutes. That might be true as probably, they are very good friends, but the whole idea is that Flick has to manage very well the playing time for our most important players Pedri and Yamal.
It is a miracol the situation we are in right now, with such a limited pool of players. Other top teams have almost two 11 players of similar calibre, so , when you have an almost equal value sub for each position, it’s very easy to rotate without loosing too much ground.
Very exited to watch each further game of our ambelivebale team. A real pleasure to watch.
 
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freetocan

Member
If we may loose Pedri for some reason, Barca would be a completely diferent team. This guy needs to be paid at least double than best paid player in our team. He is so detrimental and decisive player for us. He is our golden / diamond boy so useful. Barca without him would be an ordinary team.
 

snowy

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veritat☝️

Schedules way too taxing and it's about to get worsed with more competitions. Tb-ass should increase allowed subs per game to 9 (with a max of 3 sub stoppage to avoid time wasting) 👨‍⚖️

Looking at the record number of injuries across all leagues this season, we've been lucky so far! Pragmatic tactics and rotation of ordinal importance till we stack up our depth
 

serghei

Senior Member
If we may loose Pedri for some reason, Barca would be a completely diferent team. This guy needs to be paid at least double than best paid player in our team. He is so detrimental and decisive player for us.

Bartomeu is that you man, what's up... things have changed since you left.
 

Andresito

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Staff member
What impresses me most is how he makes the team work as a unit and that improves the players that individually aren't at the same level of others. We see Casado and Eric slotting into that midfield and winning games. Ferran is constantly creating danger in attack, Fermin and Gavi are doing well at CAM, Martin doesn't look like an accountant but rather like a good backup to Balde.

All those mentioned above have clear flaws, but it doesn't really show as it has the last few years when a "bum" has played. I don't necessarily think it's about all the players improving at the same time but rather how they slot into the XI and how the regular players improve them and take gain from their respective strengths.

Can't think of a single player who had a better season last year compared to now (excl. Christensen who doesnt play). It's impossible that 20+ players improve individually from one season to another, so it has to be an outside factor that makes all these players look better than they are, kinda like the teams under prime Pep and Klopp.
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
veritat☝️

Schedules way too taxing and it's about to get worsed with more competitions. Tb-ass should increase allowed subs per game to 9 (with a max of 3 sub stoppage to avoid time wasting) 👨‍⚖️

Looking at the record number of injuries across all leagues this season, we've been lucky so far! Pragmatic tactics and rotation of ordinal importance till we stack up our depth
Football needs to reduce the number of games, not increase the number of subs. Five subs is already destroying the rhythm of many games.
 

Loki

Well-known member
What impresses me most is how he makes the team work as a unit and that improves the players that individually aren't at the same level of others. We see Casado and Eric slotting into that midfield and winning games. Ferran is constantly creating danger in attack, Fermin and Gavi are doing well at CAM, Martin doesn't look like an accountant but rather like a good backup to Balde.

All those mentioned above have clear flaws, but it doesn't really show as it has the last few years when a "bum" has played. I don't necessarily think it's about all the players improving at the same time but rather how they slot into the XI and how the regular players improve them and take gain from their respective strengths.

Can't think of a single player who had a better season last year compared to now (excl. Christensen who doesnt play). It's impossible that 20+ players improve individually from one season to another, so it has to be an outside factor that makes all these players look better than they are, kinda like the teams under prime Pep and Klopp.
Agree. Especially Klopp is a good example, as many of his former players started to decline when he left. The best example is Kevin Großkreutz. Klopp pulled him from amateur level to the first team in Dortmund and on his hight, he defended against CR7 in the CL. After Klopp left, this guy dropped again to the amateur fourth league.
Some coaches have the perfect system to make players better than they are on their own. Flick is definitely one of them. Raphinha was already in his prime under Xavi and looks like a different player under Flick.
This isn't just Cubarsi and Lamine gained experience.
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
Agree. Especially Klopp is a good example, as many of his former players started to decline when he left. The best example is Kevin Großkreutz. Klopp pulled him from amateur level to the first team in Dortmund and on his hight, he defended against CR7 in the CL. After Klopp left, this guy dropped again to the amateur fourth league.
Some coaches have the perfect system to make players better than they are on their own. Flick is definitely one of them. Raphinha was already in his prime under Xavi and looks like a different player under Flick.
This isn't just Cubarsi and Lamine gained experience.
There's a forgotten name from the early 2010s.
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
I'll never forget him, as this guy's career is the best example of how much a coach can form a player. From amauter to defending CR7 back to amateur.
Yeah.

I hadn't thought of him for a while, but you mentioning him instantly transported me to 2011, playing FIFA online on PS3 as a 29-year-old. Sometimes going Dortmund and running riot with Lukasz Piczczek, Marcel Schmelzer, Großkreutz, Jakub Błaszczykowski (had to copy and paste this guy's surname), Lewy and so on.

Or the time that I played in a 16 team FIFA league with 4.5 star teams (so the level below the elite), drew Benfica, and ran riot with Eduardo Salvio, Javier Saviola and above all Oscar Cardozo. Cardozo's shooting was fucking ridiculous in FIFA.

It's interesting how from Klopp's Dortmund, only Lewy, Gundogan and maybe Reus remained real world-class players after he left. I guess you could argue Gotze still was good, but he never seemed the same after Klopp (though he had illnesses too). It backs up your point about how he gets players to play above themselves.
 
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