How to approach the rebuild

[El Gato]

Dont agree. He is nowhere near good enough for that even. It is not enough to say he is best no9 now because he runs and the squad dont have any other ones.

Tries hard and runs a lot but a player like him should never be in a Barca/Real level squad.

Depending who your starter is he's absolutely good enough. Shuts up, gets on the field, stays in shape, puts his head down, plays for the better talent around him. Play him vs bottom 10, in Copa and shitty CL games. Ideal if you have a world class striker who will play 80-90% of the time.

If you want two strikers who are not world-class, but up-and-coming and can compete with one another, then Braithwaite is unnecessary.

 

[JamDav1982]

Depending who your starter is he's absolutely good enough. Shuts up, gets on the field, stays in shape, puts his head down, plays for the better talent around him. Play him vs bottom 10, in Copa and shitty CL games. Ideal if you have a world class striker who will play 80-90% of the time.

Braithwaite should not be in the squad of any top team.

Shouldnt even be a back up for bog standard EPL team for example.

Barca need far better quality back ups than a 9 who failed at Middlesboro and has never shown to be anything even average at 9 in a decent league.

The club should have a promising back up if aim is to play against lesser teams, Copa and some CL. Not some 29 year old who is miles off the standard required.

 

[serghei]

What we need is Braithwaite's profile with better quality in all registers, that's what someone like Haaland brings. Everything Braithwaite does only better and while adding a lot more other things. Braithwaite is valuable because he is the only player we have who has the profile of a no9.

I'd say he did a decent job when he played. Especially when he had a very active player behind him.

 

[JamDav1982]

What we need is Braithwaite's profile with better quality in all registers. Braithwaite is valuable because he is the only player we have who has the profile of a no9.

He runs a lot that is about it and that helps some others but when look at his actual quality he is miles off it.

Braithwaite is a poor no.9. Championship level if he is lucky.

Barca need a proper focal point in attack and better bench players than him but cant see any clubs coming in for him as they will see him for what he is. Unless the Barca link gets him move to MLS or China.

 

[El Gato]

Braithwaite should not be in the squad of any top team.

Shouldnt even be a back up for bog standard EPL team for example.

Barca need far better quality back ups than a 9 who failed at Middlesboro and has never shown to be anything even average at 9 in a decent league.

The club should have a promising back up if aim is to play against lesser teams, Copa and some CL. Not some 29 year old who is miles off the standard required.

Doesn't matter who they should have as none at La Masia are good enough, none look like they're breaking through in the next few years and no others are cheap enough to bank on. If your #9 is going to be a Haaland then having another young dude is pointless as will never improve since he'll barely ever get a game. Better to have a solid league player who hardly ever gets game time, but knows his place. Lots of good enough rotation players failed or been average at shit teams, makes no difference. Choupo for instance is well liked for what he does.

Besides if your CFs down the road are Fati and/or another forward, then it won't matter anyway.

 

[JamDav1982]

Doesn't matter who they should have as none at La Masia are good enough, none look like they're breaking through in the next few years and no others are cheap enough to bank on. If your #9 is going to be a Haaland then having another young dude is pointless as will never improve since he'll barely ever get a game. Better to have a solid league player who hardly ever gets game time, but knows his place. Lots of good enough rotation players failed or been average at shit teams, makes no difference. Choupo for instance is well liked for what he does.

Yes it does matter who should have when discussing the level of player the club needs to improve and Braithwaite is not good enough as a back up for Barca not even close to it.

The majority of EPL and even top team in la Liga have far better back up strikers than him. Even if players that barely play and that ranges from younger players to more experienced ones.

He has not once in his career shown to be a no.9 of any decent level whatsoever.

 

[El Gato]

Yes it does matter who should have when discussing the level of player the club needs to improve and Braithwaite is not good enough as a back up for Barca not even close to it.

It really doesn't as you can't get them and no young alternative around in youth system. You'd pay for one world-class striker 100M alone and you need all other positions covering. Can't afford another. Keeping Braithwaite to play 10 games a season is a sensible choice if the primary goal for your squad assembly is to get one reliable assertive striker who will play most of the time.

If you want a 100M #9 to come in, you'd barely find a guy who'd agree to sit on the bench 24/7. Maybe a guy like Raul Jimenez once he gets older (29 now), but most would rather play and won't take the bench for years on end. Won't get a guy like him for another year or two anyway. Most backups in EPL play more since it has more fixtures. And demand more in wages.

 

[JamDav1982]

It really doesn't as you can't get them and no young alternative around in youth system. You'd pay for one world-class striker 100M alone and you need all other positions covering. Can't afford another. Keeping Braithwaite to play 10 games a season is a sensible choice if the primary goal for your squad assembly is to get one reliable assertive striker who will play most of the time.

Barca cant get better back up than Braithwaite? Of course they can and will once that ridiculous transfer is rectiified. Hopefully next summer.

That is about worst reason yet and Barca should be looking at better quality and ideally younger player to grow as a back up.

No top club should have a shit back up and not be bothered as 'will only play ten games' you want a back up that offers something to the team at required level and who can step in when required for injuries etc

 

[El Gato]

You don't grow players as backups. They grow by playing football. Won't get that if you sign a big money player.

 

[JamDav1982]

You don't grow players as backups. They grow by playing football. Won't get that if you sign a big money player.

A back up does play football and yes that is how you grow players if youngsters.

'Back up' just means not the starter and not someone who never plays.

Teams the world over grow young players by managing them into team. What you are claiming makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[El Gato]

A back up does play football and yes that is how you grow players if youngsters.

'Back up' just means not the starter not someone who never plays.

Teams the world over grow young players by managing them into team. What you are claiming makes no sense whatsoever.

Not really, back up means a player's there only in case the first option is out. Those that play are rotation players. Can't have a backup keeper that plays regular football. Backups sit on the bench >75% of the time unless injury happens.

Hence why youngsters are usually useless as backups as they don't improve over short stretches of game time and do not develop quickly enough for managers to prefer them over the primary option. Tis why dudes like Foden are not better off being where they are and getting scraps than they would be elsewhere, why RM Brazillians should go on loan and why it makes absolutely no sense to have a young backup keeper - better have an old reliable experienced one.

And having a set of great backups is very rare and unsustainable as they'll always want football in the end i.e. Real 16/17. Only way is if you have a homegrown lad who won't mind not playing, but will be good enough when called upon. Barca don't have that and doesn't look like they will.

No top club should have a shit back up and not be bothered as 'will only play ten games' you want a back up that offers something to the team at required level and who can step in when required for injuries etc

What does Origi offer?

 

[JamDav1982]

Not really, back up means a player's there only in case the first option is out. Those that play are rotation players. Can't have a backup keeper that plays regular football. Backups sit on the bench >75% of the time unless injury happens.

Hence why youngsters are usually useless as backups as they don't improve over short stretches of game time and do not develop quickly enough for managers to prefer them over the primary option. Tis why dudes like Foden are not better off being where they are and getting scraps than they would be elsewhere, why RM Brazillians should go on loan and why it makes absolutely no sense to have a young backup keeper - better have an old reliable experienced one.

And having a set of great backups is very rare and unsustainable as they'll always want football in the end i.e. Real 16/17. Only way is if you have a homegrown lad who won't mind not playing, but will be good enough when called upon. Barca don't have that and doesn't look like they will.



What does Origi offer?

No it doesnt. Back up means back up to the starter when discussed in football not someone who sits and never plays.

Lets see in summer if this impossible task to have a better back up than Braithwaite is resolved by Barca. My guess it will be and no shortage of players out there to make it happen.

 

[El Gato]

For sure it does. You don't use your PC backup unless your PC goes down. Same in every avenue of life. Origi was a backup to Firmino, never played unless Firmino injured. Didn't offer anything other than fitness and work hence never ever broke through beyond that, was even benched at Wolfsburg. Despite that the top team Liverpool kept him for 2 seasons and ended up wanting to see what Jota was about. Backup doesn't play and no better backup than a player who's committed to the club like Braithwaite. If you find one willing to sit 80% of games for years on end as your star striker plays, it will either be a fast-tracked La Masia player or someone currently close to 30 and will come in in 2 years when things start looking up for Barcelona, not likely any sooner.

 

[JamDav1982]

For sure it does. You don't use your PC backup unless your PC goes down. Same in every avenue of life. Origi was a backup to Firmino, never played unless Firmino injured. Didn't offer anything other than fitness and work hence never ever broke through beyond that, was even benched at Wolfsburg. Despite that the top team Liverpool kept him for 2 seasons and ended up wanting to see what Jota was about. Backup doesn't play and no better backup than a player who's committed to the club like Braithwaite. If you find one willing to sit 80% of games for years on end as your star striker plays, it will either be a fast-tracked La Masia player or someone currently close to 30 and will come in in 2 years when things start looking up for Barcelona, not likely any sooner.

No in todays football back up never means a player that will not play unless injury so terrible comparison.

Lets see how difficult it is for Barca to solve the impossible task of replacing Braithwaite and if you are correct. I dont think you will be.

 

[El Gato]

Lets see how difficult it is for Barca to solve the impossible task of replacing Braithwaite and if you are correct. I dont think you will be.

What impossible task? Where did I ever say that?