Nazario1985
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How ? money just don't fall from the sky
Joan Laporta
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How ? money just don't fall from the sky
Windhook
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Well, we have to look at what those financial rules achieved so far:
- La Liga lost its single football icon in Messi due to FFP
- contract dramas every summer at FC Barcelona, one of the two remaining giant clubs in Spain. Risking Cules to fall into mediocrity such as Valencia.
- Real Madrid won CL, but it did nothing to improve the image of La Liga, on the contrary Real, Barca and Atletico Madrid presidents all opted to participate in the ESL.
- 4 clubs have made profit last season - Sevilla (56m), Villareal (18m), Valencia (27m) and Celta (6m)
- Tremendous amount of transfers in La Liga being free agents
- The "historic" CVC deal that promised to make La Liga a global leader in everything, the NBA of football, etc. Well, we're waiting.
FFP formula is achieve more with less. No club has achieved that in modern football, would say Ajax, but that was 30 years ago.
- La Liga lost its single football icon in Messi due to FFP
- contract dramas every summer at FC Barcelona, one of the two remaining giant clubs in Spain. Risking Cules to fall into mediocrity such as Valencia.
- Real Madrid won CL, but it did nothing to improve the image of La Liga, on the contrary Real, Barca and Atletico Madrid presidents all opted to participate in the ESL.
- 4 clubs have made profit last season - Sevilla (56m), Villareal (18m), Valencia (27m) and Celta (6m)
- Tremendous amount of transfers in La Liga being free agents
- The "historic" CVC deal that promised to make La Liga a global leader in everything, the NBA of football, etc. Well, we're waiting.
FFP formula is achieve more with less. No club has achieved that in modern football, would say Ajax, but that was 30 years ago.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Tebas claimed the other day that La Liga still has best players.
Absolute delusion.
Absolute delusion.
FinBarcelonafan
Well-known member
Maybe he forgot Messi is not part of LaLiga anymore.
Delusional comment either way.
Barca and Real maybe Atletico has quality players but then the drop is steep
Missed this the other day. It isn't easy considering the growth leverage of Messi/Ronaldo was missed in the 2010's.
But right now, how about CVC allowing clubs more transfer budget since that was the big cash injection. Players don't want the EPL more than LaLiga (in general). Players want the EPL money, which can only be achieved as the rest of Europe can not make the transfer offers to buy the players, and thus pay the players.
And then when clubs can afford the players, they have the salary cap blockading moves, or needing to sell before buying and being financially limited in maximising sales prices (which are already capped through a max buyout clause).
That's the simplified conjecture, the marketing efforts that each club have used the CVC to improve, are only as successful as the players the teams can attract. No one cares of the visual spectacle of painted stadiums and club social media/website in the action on the pitch is dire in quality, and quantity thanks to the start-stop play in Spanish football which LaLiga arbitrarily has not fixed.
And back to the visual product, Spanish football again looks outdated by not implementing the double height perimeter advertising.
Luftstalag14
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Do other league have salary caps or maximum wage bill allowed like La Liga does? I understand what La Liga is trying to do, ie., forcing clubs to not spend beyond their means and it is the right thing to do in principle, but the way they are enforcing it or using it as a weapon to keep clubs fall in line is quite ridiculous. Also, to this date I have not seen anybody clearly explaining exactly how the salary mass is calculated.
CVC is a good idea for the middle and smaller clubs (Ligue 1 has done it too, both Serie A and Bundesliga are heading in the same direction), and they purposedly structured the money to make sure clubs don't spend most of it on transfers and I think that's good. Its effect will take a while to show up, for sure. It seems to me that the inability to spend much on transfers on the part of many La Liga clubs has more to do with La Liga's so-called "financial fairplay" rules than what the CVC deal allows or doesn't allow.
La Liga can't compete with the EPL on financial footings, for so many reasons that we all know about. It just has to keep growing itself and part of that is to keep a balance of helping clubs stay afloat and giving them freedom and not be restrictive too much. So far it has been more restrictive than anything else.
[MENTION=22241]Porque[/MENTION], by "double height perimeter advertising", do you mean those digital advertising boards by the sidelines in the EPL and some German stadium that are taller than we normally see elsewhere? Personally I am not bothered by the standard (not double height) advertising boards as I am used to them, I don't think the taller ones are that much more effective in terms of grabbing the eyeballs anyways.
CVC is a good idea for the middle and smaller clubs (Ligue 1 has done it too, both Serie A and Bundesliga are heading in the same direction), and they purposedly structured the money to make sure clubs don't spend most of it on transfers and I think that's good. Its effect will take a while to show up, for sure. It seems to me that the inability to spend much on transfers on the part of many La Liga clubs has more to do with La Liga's so-called "financial fairplay" rules than what the CVC deal allows or doesn't allow.
La Liga can't compete with the EPL on financial footings, for so many reasons that we all know about. It just has to keep growing itself and part of that is to keep a balance of helping clubs stay afloat and giving them freedom and not be restrictive too much. So far it has been more restrictive than anything else.
[MENTION=22241]Porque[/MENTION], by "double height perimeter advertising", do you mean those digital advertising boards by the sidelines in the EPL and some German stadium that are taller than we normally see elsewhere? Personally I am not bothered by the standard (not double height) advertising boards as I am used to them, I don't think the taller ones are that much more effective in terms of grabbing the eyeballs anyways.
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Maybe we don't have messi mbappe etc but if you look at the next generation coming through there is plenty gavi pedri tchoumeni vini camavinga pino etc. Also the big spenders in pl etc will want to buy ready made players so not only will it bring in money for la liga teams it will also make space for more promising young players
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JamDav1982
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Good luck if that is what La Liga are relying on.
malvolio
Senior Member
aside of vinicius, who is established, the rest still have to prove themselves. and we're talking about barca&madrid players only. rest of the league is barren.
serghei
Senior Member
Not even close. Another Bartomeu is right behind door no2.
Barca in the hands of someone or some corporation with big funds would be City on steroids. Imagine if we had United money...
Football wise it's unbeatable. Only problem is Mes Que un Club part and catalan nationalism take a big hit.
I doubt we can get back to signing mega players consistently like in the past considering we've basically been blown away financially by oil states and billionaires with huge pockets at most of our European rivals.
Days of Ronaldinho, Messi, Eto'o, Henry, Neymar, Suarez, Rivaldo, superstars like that, multiple at once, goodbye for life.
If we see Barca fans getting used to that on constant basis, and then maybe we don't need to sell. Doubt they can though.
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serghei
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A big chunk of the club's appeal is signing superstar players. That is not going to happen again for a long time. Not even a club like Madrid managed to sign an obvious Madrid fan from a joke club like PSG. Money talks with superstars.
You can maybe develop some talented kids, but that is a looong process and most don't have the patience for it. They want titles now. For that you need big bucks.
You can maybe develop some talented kids, but that is a looong process and most don't have the patience for it. They want titles now. For that you need big bucks.
khaled_a_d
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Barca is owned by Catalan socios, you are talking from international fans POC.
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