João Félix

VN10

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"Especially considering he isn't an athletic CB that is basing his game on physical tools and might need some learning."

Do you even read those old posts you dig up?

Yeah, and that is what hit me especially. Because he doesn't base his game on phyisical tools AT ALL xD Rofl.

And 'he isn't an athletic CB', made me giggle as well.

He bases his game on mental abilitites such as positioning and defending, and his footballing skills. The fact that he is a big guy helps obviously. But he is nowhere near being a Pepe or Godin kind of dude. So yeah, comments like these make me giggle.

Back to the topic: Felix!
 

MTL_Barca

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Btw, from videos which I have watched, his position and passing reminds me more of some 90s style CAM in 352, like younger Totti, Boban, Rui Costa.
A player close to an opponent's box, who is not a true attacker, but has a good eye for a final pass and for a killer finish here and there:

First player i thought of was Kaka.
 

khaled_a_d

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If you think that he is that good, I'll believe you, Khaled.

I don't know if he is that good tbh, I don't watch Benfica to say that in a conclusive way. I trust -not blindly but to high extent- raki opinion when it comes to them and it seems the hype is getting on his nerves. Seem that hype is over the roof in Portugal.
That is one of the reasons I avoided many arguments here on Felix past few weeks


But then, I would consider him as some kind of a Cam or weird hybrid attacker for some future lineups, AFTER Messi.

Btw, from videos which I have watched, his position and passing reminds me more of some 90s style CAM in 352, like younger Totti, Boban, Rui Costa.
A player close to an opponent's box, who is not a true attacker, but has a good eye for a final pass and for a killer finish here and there:

As I said I see him as 2nd striker, Totti himself played that position for good portion of his career too and wasn't exclusively AM. As I said I see him more of a "forward" in that sense and more of a second striker if I really wanted to give him a definite position.
Now, in general I am not such a high believer in SS in modern football. It worked with Messi as false 9 when he was basically 2nd striker without no9 in front of him.
But lately you would have to think about how tactics evolve, and tbh Messi has been a true SS in past 3 and half years and it isn't looking that bad (though worse than him as RW during MSN era)
In last couple of years, Cr7 has been basically a SS not a true LW anymore, Griezmann has been SS not a winger or CF. Even players like Salah or to less extent Hazard was asked to be more of SS than wingers to use their goal scoring ability. They have there favorite side but played more freely. Football is more evolving in that direction IMHO.


Short term:
1. he is not a CF
2. young CFs who are ready to play in big clubs like Barca and who had an immidiate impact are extremely rare (except R9 and Mbappe, iirc)

So, imo, he could be an interesting option for the future, but probably not someone who will lead us to a CL glory in the next few years on his shoulders.
And again, he'll probably play on some other position.

1-As I said in the last post, I acknowledge the positioning problem short term,but as I said if we thought Griezmann could work here, may be we have idea of how to make Felix work here too. This is my 2nd biggest concern.
2- Let's make the pool even wider, how many forwards will be able to carry teams to CL glory under the age of 25? I don't remember any names in past 20 years other than Messi & Cr7 (IMO top 5 all times, may be top 2 all time) and Raul?
How many forwards can make immediate impact in top 5 club under the age of 23? Not even Neymar or Dembele succeeded and that and both needed a year to adapt and develop.

Truth is we need to be a little modest to our post-Messi era expectations, there will be a time again when winning a league will be considered a truly great season. And even to do that we will need a great scorers.

As I said, I see Felix a bit special in that, I could be wrong for sure. But I really hope the club is following him extensively.
As I said, we are gonna make a huge bet on a young forward sooner or later, that is the reality we have right now with Messi & Suarez. And right now he is the guy I am most willing to bet.
 

Havesaks

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Yeah, and that is what hit me especially. Because he doesn't base his game on phyisical tools AT ALL xD Rofl.

And 'he isn't an athletic CB', made me giggle as well.

He bases his game on mental abilitites such as positioning and defending, and his footballing skills. The fact that he is a big guy helps obviously. But he is nowhere near being a Pepe or Godin kind of dude. So yeah, comments like these make me giggle.

Back to the topic: Felix!

And you don't think thats a concern? Especially when Lenglet is the same, and barca normally plays with high-skill ball playing CB. His post isn't bad at all…
 

khaled_a_d

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Something you shouldn't do [MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] is relying on the knowledge of our Egyption friend Khaled. Atleast not when you see what he writes about Felix, and then see what he writes about De Ligt. Loads of posts, not too many with quality.

On de Ligt:


Too risky dude, he relies on his physical tools. Skip De Ligt. :lol::lol:

Actually, I said he doesn't rely on physical tools.
There was no comma or other punctuation during the sentence, I basically said he is neither athletic nor reliant on his physical tools
 

BBZ8800

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Now, in general I am not such a high believer in SS in modern football. It worked with Messi as false 9 when he was basically 2nd striker without no9 in front of him.
But lately you would have to think about how tactics evolve, and tbh Messi has been a true SS in past 3 and half years and it isn't looking that bad (though worse than him as RW during MSN era)
In last couple of years, Cr7 has been basically a SS not a true LW anymore, Griezmann has been SS not a winger or CF. Even players like Salah or to less extent Hazard was asked to be more of SS than wingers to use their goal scoring ability. They have there favorite side but played more freely. Football is more evolving in that direction IMHO.

An interesting observation.

So, you would say that tactics and 433 are moving from Lw-Cf-Rw to: Cf, Ss and one true winger.
Let's say: Dembele, Suarez, Messi or Felix, Cf, Dembele etc?

In that way, it could work.
But then again, Felix is an option for a forward line in the future as one of two attackers who are not a CF.
We would still need Felix (Ss), winger Dembele, and a true Cf.

But, a nice observation.

** Regarding this SS thing, I think that we are moving back to 90s, when all teams played 442 or 352 with 2 Cfs.
One was a true CF (Batistuta, Crespo, Ruud) and the other one was a faster, more mobile winger-allrounder-forward (Delvecchio, Rooney, Shevchenko) etc.
That way teams had 2 players in the box.
With moving to 433, we turned to 1 man in the box and it worked for some time.
But lately probably coaches are trying to get BOTH: 3 attackers, 2 wingers, and STILL 2 guys in the box.
This is why one winger is turning into a SS lately, I guess.
This way teams get: 433, 2 wingers, 1 Cf, 1 SS (aka two Cfs) since one winger is a winger-ss player.
 
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khaled_a_d

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** Regarding this SS thing, I think that we are moving back to 90s, when all teams played 442 or 352 with 2 Cfs.
One was a true CF (Batistuta, Crespo, Ruud) and the other one was a faster, more mobile winger-allrounder-forward (Delvecchio, Rooney, Shevchenko) etc.
That way teams had 2 players in the box.
With moving to 433, we turned to 1 man in the box and it worked for some time.
But lately probably coaches are trying to get BOTH: 3 attackers, 2 wingers, and STILL 2 guys in the box.
This is why one winger is turning into a SS lately, I guess.
This way teams get: 433, 2 wingers, 1 Cf, 1 SS (aka two Cfs) since one winger is a winger-ss player.

Will, seeking new ideas coaches usually re-visits old tactics every once in a while. And usually they are doing it a bit differently this time. And in most cases they are making it more dynamic.
So for example the era of classic 9 for example seems a bit to be back, but the truth is the duties are different. while he still needs to be able to play in the box, his game now is more based on opening spaces to the other attackers too. And while he needs to be able to play with his back to goal, it means he needs to do it with better passing to his wingers/SS etc.
The off-the ball movements is now more critical than ever, with players in attack needs to move based on their teammates movements at same time.
So while SS seem to be coming back like the 90's, it is still turning into more modern version
 

VN10

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You got it wrong. He said the opposite. That he isn't a player who bases his game on physical tools.

I see, thats right. Sorry.

He is an early bloomer, which make it more worrying tbh. Especially considering he isn't an athletic CB that is basing his game on physical tools and might need some learning.
He is very expensive player, he will need to have impact from day one.
Too risky tbh

But calling him an early bloomer that causes worrying because he DOES NOT base his game on phyisical tools, is even more laughable.
Early bloomers who DO base their game on phyisical tools is a worry. Which is the complete opposite of what he said.
 

FC433

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[tw]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="pt" dir="ltr">GOOAL! João Félix puts Benfica ahead against Marítimo! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SLBCSM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SLBCSM</a> <a href="https://t.co/2xBPApofwH">pic.twitter.com/2xBPApofwH</a></p>— Benfica Youth (@BenficaYouth) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenficaYouth/status/1120407673940467712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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[tw]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="pt" dir="ltr">GOAL! João Félix with his second goal against Marítimo! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SLBCSM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SLBCSM</a> <br> <a href="https://t.co/zCgOWSZ5n0">pic.twitter.com/zCgOWSZ5n0</a></p>— Benfica Youth (@BenficaYouth) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenficaYouth/status/1120427983414734848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> [/tw]
[tw]<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ro" dir="ltr">João Félix’s assist for Cervi's goal. Such a good pass! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SLBCSM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SLBCSM</a> <br> <a href="https://t.co/uRBdcrJQeW">pic.twitter.com/uRBdcrJQeW</a></p>— Benfica Youth (@BenficaYouth) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenficaYouth/status/1120430129065398274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Riordon

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Really starting to convince me. Creator + finisher. Club apparently discarded Jovic due to his inability play out of the box. Felix certainly can. Just 19 still. But 120m..........
 

FC433

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Kylian Mbappé at the age of 17+18 and in his first professional season 2016/17

44 games 26 goals 14 assists 2.633 minutes played

João Félix at the age of 18+19 and in his first professional season 2018/19

38 games 18 goals 10 assists 2.555 minutes played
 

FC B

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Really starting to convince me. Creator + finisher. Club apparently discarded Jovic due to his inability play out of the box. Felix certainly can. Just 19 still. But 120m..........

Sell Coutinho and buy Felix, as simple as that.
 

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