Shame on him!
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Flavia
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This is a new low... I never thought possible for this guy to get even lower. Blaming Tito. No respect for the dead. He told this to the judge, to make it worse. This wasn't an interview.
Chong Li
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What a shameless disgusting little man.
Now he's really grasping at straws.
This just shows how scared he is to actually end up in prison (and losing millios of euros).
http://play.cadenaser.com/audio/000...er-neymar-ano-antes/?ssm=14092012-Ser-rs-1-Tw
Now he's really grasping at straws.
This just shows how scared he is to actually end up in prison (and losing millios of euros).
http://play.cadenaser.com/audio/000...er-neymar-ano-antes/?ssm=14092012-Ser-rs-1-Tw
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Kohe321
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That's extremely low. Disgusting.
Is he trying to "soften the edges" of this scandal by trying to involve Tito, who is a universally beloved man, in this mess? Does this guy have no shame?
I mean, if Tito wanted Neymar, so what? A coach recommending the signing of any given player has absolutely no relevance at all to a case focused on whether or not that signing was conducted properly by the board of directors responsible for doing it.
Pointless and low. Come on Bartomeu, keep Titos good name out of this mess.
Is he trying to "soften the edges" of this scandal by trying to involve Tito, who is a universally beloved man, in this mess? Does this guy have no shame?
I mean, if Tito wanted Neymar, so what? A coach recommending the signing of any given player has absolutely no relevance at all to a case focused on whether or not that signing was conducted properly by the board of directors responsible for doing it.
Pointless and low. Come on Bartomeu, keep Titos good name out of this mess.
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rixxer
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I don't know. What I am reading from AS http://as.com/diarioas/2015/03/27/english/1427450287_155036.html is simple reflection how things are done in any normal football club- the coach wants a certain player to improve the team and management will look into it if they are able to bring the player requested on board. I really do not see Barto pointing any fingers on Tito, he states clearly that it's management's role to work out contracts. Tito clearly wasn't involved in cooking up such a scheme and Barto is not saying it either. Reminds me the Zlatan thing that the manager has a clear idea what to do to improve the team and managements tries to fulfil it but should not break any laws in doing so, clearly. If the managemnt breaks laws, it is certainly not a guilt of the coach who requested the player and no sane person will blame the coach for that, so I just see Barto pointing out the facts and journalists shoeld not intrepret it in that way they are doing it now.
I really do not want to take sides. In that case, there is a question from the judge and Barto is simply telling how it was and it would be that way in any normal football club, where the coach takes decisions on the roster, except certainly it is not normal and (barely) legal how Rosell and etc were executing Tito's normal wish (Villa really wasn't himself anymore after the injury).
I really do not want to take sides. In that case, there is a question from the judge and Barto is simply telling how it was and it would be that way in any normal football club, where the coach takes decisions on the roster, except certainly it is not normal and (barely) legal how Rosell and etc were executing Tito's normal wish (Villa really wasn't himself anymore after the injury).
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Flavia
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Where's the CB Tito requested, then? Everybody knows the reason he was brought sooner was rm's interest, they were pushing hard to get Neymar. Bale was their plan B, and Flo even confirmed that to the press. That's an attemp to excuse themselves, using Tito.
rixxer
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Might be, but I would say that Barto is just simply bringing out the facts and not using Tito in any way. Tito wanted Neymar, clearly, and I would argue that it was regardless Madrid's interest, Tito just wanted to improve his team that was waning in attacking sense. It actually shows that Tito had an eye for players because Ney has proven that he is world class player. From totally neutral point of view, there is nothing in that statement (if it is translated rightly) that tries to blame Tito etc. It is very normal way how transfer should go in any normal club. Even if there is an attempt to excuse themselves it is an argument that Neymar is good enough player for the Barca, but not for saying that it was Tito who agreed to use such shady scheme to bring Neyney to the club.
CB case is actually not relevant for me in this "is Barto blaming the Tito or not" game. It might easily be that Tito was not satisfied with choices he was given by the management, as simple as it sounds.
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Flavia
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Well, Tito is not here to confirm or deny those statements, is he? That's the problem. And nothing that happened was regardless of rm's interest. This was rosell's excuse for the 40m paid to Ney sr, that rm was willing to pay even more. Better get that story straight.
rixxer
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I really don't get what your saying. I just saying how I am interpreting the things Barto said to judge and I can't get it right, it is just my point of view.
Of course you may think that Barto is lying about consulting Tito about Neymar's signing. Might also be, but as I said it would be normal from management to ask from the coach about transfers and it sounds very logical to me also that Tito wanted Neymar just because he is world class and would strengthen Barca team because Villa was declining, nothing to do with Madrid's interest.
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Flavia
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It's normal for coaches, yes. But back then, this wasn't mentioned. The problem was rm's interest, that's what supposedly rush his signing. Flo wanted Neymar to be rm's poster boy, and their future. They offered more money, had a plan for him, with Zidane being offered as tutor and everything. If Barça didn't get him that summer, rm would. That's why he came early, and why so much money was spent. Not because Tito requested him.
rixxer
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Ok, then. There is no clear evidence that Tito did not want him, I think he wanted, there were signs back then that we really needed somebody to help Messi, somebody who can decide games by his own. So, I still believe that Tito wanted him, actually wanted him badly, because Ney was the player for him that the team needed. And no doubt the board wanted him to be a new poster boy or trophy signing. So, I'll stick to the opinion that at least in that statement by Barto he is not saying "It's Tito's fault". If he is not directly lying that Tito wanted him, I will say that his statement to the judge is not pointing a finger to Tito but fairly normal description how transfers are conducted in the club. But. If he really lied...well then I will be ready to eat my own words and say that it's the lowest of the lows by the president of Barca.
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Flavia
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How is he not blaming Tito? "We had a plan to sign Neymar in 2014, but Tito asked us to do it in 2013 so we had all the additional cost". I think you're not reading properly what I wrote. The board that I mentioned which wanted him to be their poster boy was rm's, real madrid.
rixxer
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Tito wanted the best for the team and it was to bring Ney on board to improve the team as soon as possible. But it does not give for the management a green light to cook up such a mess and even the break the law. And at least for me, Barto is not saying it in that statement. He simply says that the coach is not involved in this and anyone who knows how transfers are done in big club knows it as well.
I can see that if somebody really wants to see it in that way, that Barto's words imply that Tito actually knew that rushing things would mean additional costs and also breaking the law, then, yes, it is blaming Tito. No doubt about it as I said. But really, I do not think that Tito was involved in that scheme at all and Barto's statement actually implies that as well.
Well, lets just agree to disagree, I do not speak spanish so I really do not know what exactly was said in the court, but from that AS article I see the description by Barto how it was done and from there I just see Tito's role as normal for a coach in any normal football club.
JamDav1982
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I dont think he is trying to blame Tito for anything as it is quite clear none of the issues that Barca are in court for had anything to do with him.
To me he is trying to show that the decision to bring Neymar in was a footballing one and not one motivated be an opportunity to commit fraud.
I would have no doubt that both Tito did want him a year early - it was quite clear Barca needed better wide players. That and the fact Reals interest moved the goal posts.
Why does he not mention Real?
I would guess he wants the decision to be seen as a put footballing one that was in control of Barca and not a decision taken in desperation which caused laws to be broken.
To me he is trying to show that the decision to bring Neymar in was a footballing one and not one motivated be an opportunity to commit fraud.
I would have no doubt that both Tito did want him a year early - it was quite clear Barca needed better wide players. That and the fact Reals interest moved the goal posts.
Why does he not mention Real?
I would guess he wants the decision to be seen as a put footballing one that was in control of Barca and not a decision taken in desperation which caused laws to be broken.
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Flavia
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Neymar was rosell's dream signing. In fact, he was Rosell's signing. Had no problem occured, nobody would be mentioning Tito. He's dead, he can't say anything now. But saying it was because of Tito they got him one year earlier is a lie. There's no 2 ways about it. Florentino forced their hands.
I wonder where is the CB Tito "asked" them to bring as well.
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