Josep Maria Bartomeu

[yahudi]

Montoya and Deulofeu shipped out, Turan coming in.... quite a busy week for a club without a board and hit by a transfer ban

 

[Chong Li]

Turan won't win votes.

If Lucho comes out and says he wanted Arda, and wanted him NOW, I think Bartomeu's victory is sealed.

Other candidates can promise the world, but only Barto delivers.

I hope I'm wrong but...

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

If Lucho comes out and says he wanted Arda, and wanted him NOW, I think Bartomeu's victory is sealed.

Other candidates can promise the world, but only Barto delivers.

I hope I'm wrong but...

If Laporta had been the incumbent and Bartomeu simply running for election, the outcome would have been the same. It had nothing to do with Bartomeu's negotiating abilities.

Laporta has a proven track record of success. He had some excellent purchases during his tenure and yeah, there's always Ibrah but that was more on Pep than Laporta. Laporta gave him what he wanted.

Laporta was key in laying the foundation of our first treble. He had the balls to hand the reigns to an unproven B squad coach, promote an excellent youth academy and always but the clubs morals first, regardless of his politicalization of the club.

This treble was won and won only by Messi, Unzue and Lucho. Bartomeu has just been a yes man to Lucho. He didn't build a dynasty and introduce to the world the greatest player the game has ever seen.

This guy is a classic example of an opportunist and his association with Rosell should be his death sentence in my book.

 

[mssarm]

Laporta was key in laying the foundation of our first treble. He had the balls to hand the reigns to an unproven B squad coach, promote an excellent youth academy and always but the clubs morals first, regardless of his politicalization of the club.

I'm actually against "his politicalization of the club". This a sporting club , not FEMEN.

This treble was won and won only by Messi, Unzue and Lucho.

So why we are paying Busquet's, Pique's,Suarez's, Neymar's salaries. Let sell these freeloaders... who needs them when we have Lucho, Unzue and Messi. These 3 guys are more than enough to win treble for next 5 years.

Bartomeu has just been a yes man to Lucho. He didn't build a dynasty and introduce to the world the greatest player the game has ever seen.

Right- Barto is a yes man to Lucho...Who cares what Lucho thinks. Lucho should just follow the orders. Period. And we indeed need to build a dynasty: If Pique dies of old age, his son should inherit his position in the team.

This guy is a classic example of an opportunist and his association with Rosell should be his death sentence in my book.

wait.. my book sentences him to castration...

 

[Zinedinho]

Laporta has a proven track record of success. He had some excellent purchases during his tenure and yeah, there's always Ibrah but that was more on Pep than Laporta. Laporta gave him what he wanted.

So you think it's a good thing to give the coach what he wants...

Bartomeu has just been a yes man to Lucho.

Wait! No, you don't?

Laporta was key in laying the foundation of our first treble. He had the balls to hand the reigns to an unproven B squad coach, promote an excellent youth academy and always but the clubs morals first, regardless of his politicalization of the club.

Agreed. Laporta was important and overall our best president to date in my opinion. But with "club morals" you mean his business in Uzbekistan? Or maybe spying? Or squandering on jets, tickets, catering, etc.? Yeah, regardless of his polit... politic... politiciz... whatever! It seems politicization (at last!) doesn't count as a negative because, well, "regardless"!

He didn't build a dynasty and introduce to the world the greatest player the game has ever seen.

Yeah, he himself came with Messi to the dressing room and said: "look, I found this Argentinian, he's very good!". The fact that Messi arrived at La Masia when he was 12, several years before Laporta got elected, is unimportant. Laporta gets all the credit! Same with Xavi, Puyol, Valdés, Iniesta, etc. They magically appeared out of nothing when Laporta got elected.

This guy is a classic example of an opportunist and his association with Rosell should be his death sentence in my book.

Can I find this book on Amazon? Is it like Game of Thrones, with many unexpected deaths? Gory?

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

Yeah, he himself came with Messi to the dressing room and said: "look, I found this Argentinian, he's very good!". The fact that Messi arrived at La Masia when he was 12, several years before Laporta got elected, is unimportant. Laporta gets all the credit! Same with Xavi, Puyol, Valdés, Iniesta, etc. They magically appeared out of nothing when Laporta got elected

With Messi, it was Rijkaard who realized he was good enough to play in the first team but Laporta easily could have forced Rijkaard to play a player he signed instead of Messi in Ludovic Giuly (EXACTLY what Rosell did with Cesc to Pep, Pep trusted Thiago to make the jump but when Rosell signed Cesc, he forced Pep to force Cesc into the line-up at the expense of Thiago, showcasing the true influence the president has over line-ups). He didn't however, he trusted Rijkaard's judgement and in this way, this is how Laporta is responsible, if at the very least indirectly, for Messi's introduction to the first team.

I want to be clear, we only bested Bayern Munich because we had Messi. FC Barcelona without Messi is not better than Bayern Munich, both teams are roughly the same quality wise but as always, Messi was the difference. He won the tie in 15 minutes with two solo goals and the assist to Neymar in the first leg. I'm not suggesting other players (Piqué, Busi, Raki etc.) didn't play their part but the circumstances of how we won the treble under Laporta's tenure and Bartomeu's tenure were vastly different. Laporta set the foundation for this to happen naturally and most importantly set a club ethos that allowed key players for our first team to be homegrown, La Masia graduates. Bartomeu simply bought a couple expensive forwards, gave Lucho the reigns and found ways to sell the clubs image to the highest bidder.

My point is this: Laporta and Bartomeu delivered the same thing but did it in two completely different ways. Bartomeu has mainly structured the club in a way that can compete with Real's spending ability by liquidating valuable assets to the club (from the shirt sponsorship to the stadium deal). That's why we are making galactico like signings. It's one way of success but is traditionally askew to how this club has behaved in the past.

Laporta's tenure, while certainly not perfect, delivered the same succeed Bartomeu did but did so in a way much more in line with the clubs ethos. Overall, Laporta had a lot more to do with growing the club to it's success than Bartomeu has had with our succeess this year and if he can learn from his mistakes from his last tenure (mainly the financial problems we had of hemmoraging revenue), Laporta can continue to build upon his initial format.

What I'm doing is showing the error of logic in assuming "Barcelona's recent success will guarantee Bartomeu's victory in this election since he was president when the club won a treble," it's a classic example of fallocy of composition.

 

[JamDav1982]

No one forced Pep to play Cesc over Thiago that is a figment of your imagination.

Pep was one of the main driving forces behind getting Cesc who was better than Thiago when they were both at club anyway.

How you can you really claim the victory over Bayern was 'only down to Messi'?

If you want to see the limits what Messi or any player can do on their own just look at Argentina in the Copa. Messi like every player ever needs a platform to perform and with the signings of Suarez, Neymar etc he has been given that more than ever.

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

No one forced Pep to play Cesc over Thiago that is a figment of your imagination.

Pep was one of the main driving forces behind getting Cesc who was better than Thiago when they were both at the club anyway.

The point I'm making with this comparison is that clubs presidents/owners can and definitely will push their influence for certain players to play over other players.

Cesc was always going to come back and he did because of Pep's success, that was the proverbial straw. Pep wanted the Eto'o-Ibra swap but I don't him recall him categorically demanding Cesc. It was a publicity signing from Rosell that Pep was open to, not Pep demanding Cesc. I think this was a prime example of why I think Pep and Rosell never saw eye to eye. Pep had the team playing well enough to force Cesc into the mix but he'd be blind if he didn't realize how much him and Xavi in the same line up caused balance issues with the team. The fact that he kept him in and that other managers did the same, even though it was clear how disruptive it was at times, I think is at least partial evidence of how publicity signings that aren't a direct request of the manager are a reflection of the owner/president and for political reasons, must play over certain players.

Great example of this was the whole Shevchenko drama at Chelsea between Mou and Abramovich. That was the beginning of the end of Mou's first spell at Chelsea.

How you can you really claim the victory over Bayern was 'only down to Messi'?

If you want to see the limits what Messi or any player can do on their own just look at Argentina in the Copa. Messi like every player ever needs a platform to perform and with the signings of Suarez, Neymar etc he has been given that more than ever.

The reason why I say Messi won the tie for us against Bayern virtually single-handedly was the 2nd leg. Bayern showed in that game that they were at least on par with us. That for me is important; if Messi doesn't go super saiyan in that 1st leg and score two goals plus set up Neymar's, that game most likely ends 0-0. Also, we got the benefit of the doubt from the referee in the build up to the 1st goal and we pounced as Bayern slowly reacted to the ref's decision.

I'm not at all saying sell everyone but Messi but I'm highlighting how he inspired in a match when we needed someone to inspire the most, and it's impossible to deny how much his performance impacted the outcome of the tie against Bayern. If we go into the Allianz with a 0-0 or even just a 1-0 or 1-1 tie, it's a massively different game. Messi made it comfortable and put it out of reach, he gave us a decisive advantage.

Every player had their moments last season. Rakitic's goal against City killed that tie, Neymar won the group stage for us in the 2nd leg against PSG with that screamer he hit, Suarez also put them to the sword as well in the quarters. It's just against City, against PSG we were clearly the better team, even when they were fully fit. That was not the case against a Robbery-less Bayern. That's why Messi's 15 minutes in the 1st leg was so vital. That's why he was the difference, and to bring this full circle, that's why our recent success is 95% on Lucho, his staff, his transfers and the players and 5% on Bartomeu/Rosell.

I give Rosell a measly 1.5% for his transfer of Neymar (even though the costs) and like 3.5% to Bartomeu for helping balance the books and giving Lucho a chance.

 

[Barcilliant]

The treble speaks for itself. If elections had been held last year Laporta would have strolled into the presidency.
The fact that Barto made some changes and we had a great season is a game changer.
Barto just has to shut up and hope some new scandal doesn't pop up.
Laportas campaign has been very poor so far.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Other than Media ,is there is any big figure in Barcelona that support Bartomeu ?I mean Cruyff ,Abidal ,Pep ,Enric Masip all support Laporta.hell even Xavi indirectly .I can't see that race done as people claim with basically most important people in history of the club supporting Laporta .I could be wrong though

 

[JamDav1982]

The point I'm making with this comparison is that clubs presidents/owners can and definitely will push their influence for certain players to play over other players.

Cesc was always going to come back and he did because of Pep's success, that was the proverbial straw. Pep wanted the Eto'o-Ibra swap but I don't him recall him categorically demanding Cesc. It was a publicity signing from Rosell that Pep was open to, not Pep demanding Cesc. I think this was a prime example of why I think Pep and Rosell never saw eye to eye. Pep had the team playing well enough to force Cesc into the mix but he'd be blind if he didn't realize how much him and Xavi in the same line up caused balance issues with the team. The fact that he kept him in and that other managers did the same, even though it was clear how disruptive it was at times, I think is at least partial evidence of how publicity signings that aren't a direct request of the manager are a reflection of the owner/president and for political reasons, must play over certain players.

Great example of this was the whole Shevchenko drama at Chelsea between Mou and Abramovich. That was the beginning of the end of Mou's first spell at Chelsea.



The reason why I say Messi won the tie for us against Bayern virtually single-handedly was the 2nd leg. Bayern showed in that game that they were at least on par with us. That for me is important; if Messi doesn't go super saiyan in that 1st leg and score two goals plus set up Neymar's, that game most likely ends 0-0. Also, we got the benefit of the doubt from the referee in the build up to the 1st goal and we pounced as Bayern slowly reacted to the ref's decision.

I'm not at all saying sell everyone but Messi but I'm highlighting how he inspired in a match when we needed someone to inspire the most, and it's impossible to deny how much his performance impacted the outcome of the tie against Bayern. If we go into the Allianz with a 0-0 or even just a 1-0 or 1-1 tie, it's a massively different game. Messi made it comfortable and put it out of reach, he gave us a decisive advantage.

Every player had their moments last season. Rakitic's goal against City killed that tie, Neymar won the group stage for us in the 2nd leg against PSG with that screamer he hit, Suarez also put them to the sword as well in the quarters. It's just against City, against PSG we were clearly the better team, even when they were fully fit. That was not the case against a Robbery-less Bayern. That's why Messi's 15 minutes in the 1st leg was so vital. That's why he was the difference, and to bring this full circle, that's why our recent success is 95% on Lucho, his staff, his transfers and the players and 5% on Bartomeu/Rosell.

I give Rosell a measly 1.5% for his transfer of Neymar (even though the costs) and like 3.5% to Bartomeu for helping balance the books and giving Lucho a chance.

Pep did push for Cesc and was pushing for him under previous board also.

It was nothing like a Rosell transfer that Pep just went along with. He ASKED for Cesc ans they got him.

You have totally fabricated the idea that Cesc was forced on Pep to suit your narrative. Its just false.

 

[Flavia]

[MENTION=10166]i_bleed_blaugrana[/MENTION], Jamdav is right. Pep wanted Cesc. Fabregas was his signing. He thought 3-4-3 or something similar would be the way to evolve Barça's system.

 

[khaled_a_d]

[MENTION=10166]i_bleed_blaugrana[/MENTION], Jamdav is right. Pep wanted Cesc. Fabregas was his signing. He thought 3-4-3 or something similar would be the way to evolve Barça's system.

Pep wanted Cesc ,but i am not sure 3-4-3 was on his mind back then ,IIRC he deployed it a bit midway in the season.same way he used Messi as false 9 after signing Ibra

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

Fine well I suppose I recant...

I feel like excommunicated or some shit like that.

 

[Darko]

Haven't really been following elections too closely, what's with all the hate against Bartomeu? Has he actually done anything to indicate that he is Rosell 2.0?

He's facing 2 years in jail?
Or do you honestly believe he had nothing to do with all the illegal deals Rosell made?
Plus the Turan deal now showing what a cunt he is, a supposedly resigned president signing a player...