Josep Maria Bartomeu

Rubbish!
"I'm gonna need a link for this" That's your answer? OK, I'm going to need a link where it says Messi has signed the contract. The burden should be on the club to prove that Messi is committing on signing, not the other way around. How are you suppose to be a genius?

Also, if you think Benedito and Laporta are using cheap strategy what do you have to say about Roberto and Soler, both lied about many things including Coutinho and Verratti transfers so what they said about Messi's commitment, I would take it with a pinch of salt too. It's well documented that Messi wanted to leave in 2014 and it was Tito who convinced him to stay (MD, TV3, and RAC1 reporting the incident), And he wanted to leave again in 2016 after tax fraud issues MD reported and TV3 had a documentary released about it.

You are truly a reactive thinker, no wonder you like this board!

Just a couple points:

1) I've never claimed Messi has signed a new contract. I read that both parties had agreed to sign a new contract eventually, it has happened that way before

2) Messi wanting to leave before and staying makes my point: it's not the first time Messi has done this to us.

3) I don't like this board but 1) they are not to be blamed for everything they are being blamed for 2) I just don't think we should change

President at this point in the season. 3) The other alternatives make me wanna puke
 

BarcaOG

Banned
Let me add to this,

Thaigo free (youth)
Grimaldo free (youth)

Isco 35-40M
Kroos 20-25M (not needed if we had Thaigo, but a possibility our luxury buy)
Martinez 30-35M
Cabellos 15M
Asensio 5M

Total spent - 100-120M

What we got:

Paulinho 40M
Gomes 45-50M
Paco 30-35M
Douglas 5-10M
Digne 15-20M
Vidal 15-20M
Turan 25-30M

Total Spent - 180-200M

On players who shouldn't be anywhere near this squad.

PS: I still have a little faith in Paco

holy shit that is a horror show of poor spending.. wow
 
Would people stop asking for players to make political declarations. It's not their responsibility.

Alba was just asked about this yesterday and he said that he was happy with the team we had and that he was very optimistic about this season b.c we had already won 2 games.

But the barcaforum members know best

Although it is still possible the are being politically correct.

At the end, the worst thing to happen to Barca is to see fans turn on the president b.c he didn't pay 200 for Coutinho.

Just think about this: Had we signed Coutinho, no one would be asking for another president.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
They are turning for number of things. La Masia, losing style, shit signings, failure to plan and reinforce. Failure to get a sponsor (thank you Pique). Shady deals with Neymar sr. Lying about financials and deals (proven in court).

But yeah, it's because he didn't pay 200 for Coutinho :lol:
 
Alba was just asked about this yesterday and he said that he was happy with the team we had and that he was very optimistic about this season b.c we had already won 2 games.

But the barcaforum members know best

Although it is still possible the are being politically correct.

At the end, the worst thing to happen to Barca is to see fans turn on the president b.c he didn't pay 200 for Coutinho.

Just think about this: Had we signed Coutinho, no one would be asking for another president.

Nope, board would have had to go regardless.
 
They are turning for number of things. La Masia, losing style, shit signings, failure to plan and reinforce. Failure to get a sponsor (thank you Pique). Shady deals with Neymar sr. Lying about financials and deals (proven in court).

But yeah, it's because he didn't pay 200 for Coutinho :lol:

fair enough.

but let's clarify a couple points.

1) what's wrong with La Masia?

2) "losing style" what does that even mean?

3) shit signings? yes, I would agree with this one. But keep in mind that this board has been in charge of making the transition and bringing

replacements for our aging team. They just got semedo for RB, the got us Umtiti to replace Puyol, they got us Ter Stegen to replace Victor Valdez,

they just got us Demeble to replace Neymar. They got us Suarez to replace Villa. They have failed to get us a replacement for Iniesta and Xavi, but

I'm positive we will get them soon. They already have a deal to get Pique's replacement: Yerri Mina, for 18 millions. They got us Neymar when he

could have signed for Madrid. They also got us CL and la liga, the season after Barcelona didn't win anything after 7 years.

Barca is in a period of transition. We had an old squad. Our new squad needs some work, but I'm hopeful about the future.

Alof ot the "shitty" signings : Arda, Matthieu, Alex Vidal were players requested by Luis Enrique, so I would say they are to blame for giving into

the coaches requests. The best signings of this board didn't come from requests from the coach, and hopefully Bartomeu has learned that.
 

Clockwise

Buccaneer
"Doulas for 6 mil when we could get Asensio for 4 mil "
I think this was during the Zubizzareta era, same era where Isco was let go to Madrid. this has nothing to do with the current president.

It would be ok if we could actually make a distinction between this board and the previous one with Rosell, but unfortunately that is not the case. This is the same route the previous board had as well.
In his latest interview with SPORT, Benedito said this: "The Civil Guard itself says from the telephone conversations it follows that Rosell continues to command in FC Barcelona. I do not say that Bartomeu is a puppet of Rosell, but it has been very important in the most important decisions that are made in Barca."
This is a major alarm, and it is not to be taken lightly.

"Barto loudly took on "Operation Verratti" and "Operation Ceballos" failed miserably in both and yet wants all the credit in Dembele's signing,"

Failing at something is not so bad if we know you tried. Both players would have been nice for Barca.With Verrati, he did the only thing he could do: ask the player to pressure the team. PSG don't need money, so the only option was to try to lure the player and convince the team. I actually read that once he found out Neymar was coming to PSG, he decided not to sign for barca anymore. So he was very close to getting the player. Where did you read that Bartomeu wants all the credit for signing Dembele?

Mundo Deportivo gets direction straight from the board, from leaking of the bids to making up quotes from Seri throwing Nice under the bus right after he outed Bartomeu and co's lies. MD also went all out in a full page article about how much Bartomeu, personally was very important in landing Dembele, while according to every other reports from non biased out lets, it was a cluster fuck all around.

There is a clear pattern that this board is following in every transfer. Start loudly as who they are gonna target through out lets like MD mainly and then SPORT. Then they unsettle the player from their clubs. Demand that they make their desire to join Barcelona public. They do this so the seller club's grip on their player becomes slack and of course to make up for their weak skills in negotiations. Then enter to bid a low amount possible in the current market. If the selling club resists, they up the media pressure. They then put the player in a situation like you either come now, or Barca will never again consider you. Klopp publicly told the press about this and said how untrue this statement can be in football world, but the player is unsettled and emotional and falls for it. The next step is either they bid again or pull out of the deal without any notice, putting immense psychological pressure on the player. Either they will come back a couple days later with again a lousy bid, or will not.

I don't think I need to discuss how much douchebaggery is involved in this issue as we all saw what it was doing to Dembele, Seri and Coutinho,Martinez and even Verratti until Al Khelaifi settled him. But it is also a very immoral and unprofessional way of signing players among the higher levels of the clubs.

It has some benefits for the board tho. They will sell that "Everyone wants to join the Barcelona that we are running. they are desperate for us. We went in the market but the other clubs would not sell despite the player being under stress", then come out and play the victim. instead of owning up their failures.

You say this is not the right time to change the board, but if we keep going on with this, we will not only miss the January window as well, but also get even more tension inside the club. a new board will rejuvenate the whole club atmosphere which is in our direct interest.
You also say we should not blame the board for not paying 200 mil for Coutinho. No one is blaming them for not paying 200. But don't you see how this exposes them as incompetent with: 1.Moving this late in the market so the prices have gone up and everyone knows how much we have to pay. 2. Not having any sort of plan B to follow if you are seeing this one is failing.

There is no way we can excuse them, at the very very least this transfer market. They have been lying constantly:

1.Emery comes and says on record that there was never a serious bid for Verratti, despite MD claiming like we were bidding every 2 days with improved offers.

2.BVB comes out and say Barca has not had contact with them for 2 weeks while MD, again, acting like we are doing everything we can, and BVB are being unreasonable.

3.Nice president comes out and says they were agreeing with the 40 mil for Seri, but Barca just cut the connections suddenly with no further notice. while MD actually came out and lied about Nice wanting more than 40 mil and faking quotes for Seri.

4.Klopp and liverpool director actually saying despite what the media has been fed, Barca has not bid for Coutinho in 10 days. Then after the window closed, Telegraph reports that Liverpool denies asking 200 mil for Coutinho.

5.Achraf Ben Ayad the journalist from BEIN that is actually reliable in media and has direct access to the board coming and out and apologizing, saying that the barca board was feeding him lies all the time.

They have not only messed with our own players and lost internal support in the club, messed with other player's minds but also played with our reputation among other clubs.This is in no way acceptable or excusable. They have to go. the sooner, the better.
 

Devils

Senior Member
Curious as to why Laporta hasn't said anything about the Vote of No Confidence? I'm guessing he doesn't want to be a part of a movement that is under the leadership of Benedito. It's a shame because Laporta has such a strong following.

It's always a matter of personal pride with these guys.
 

Clockwise

Buccaneer
Curious as to why Laporta hasn't said anything about the Vote of No Confidence? I'm guessing he doesn't want to be a part of a movement that is under the leadership of Benedito. It's a shame because Laporta has such a strong following.

It's always a matter of personal pride with these guys.

Benedito said he has heard that Laporta supports the motion, and there was an article in Sport a few weeks ago about Laporta actually believing in the vote. but he has not spoken up, and it is disappointing. 12 days to go to get the signatures.
 

Devils

Senior Member
Benedito said he has heard that Laporta supports the motion, and there was an article in Sport a few weeks ago about Laporta actually believing in the vote. but he has not spoken up, and it is disappointing. 12 days to go to get the signatures.

I'd be extremely disappointed if Laporta doesn't make a public statement this week before the derby. Both Laporta and Benedito should work together in this motion and then compete against each other in the elections.

Right now both of them have to do what is in the best interest of the club. If Laporta can't do that, then he shouldn't run in the next election imo.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
Clockwise,

1) I would take w.e Benedito says with a grain of salt. After all, he is the one chasing after the presidency. it's called politics, and they could fool you if you are not aware.

2) While your theory of how this barca administration signs players seems plausible, I think it has many holes . I will only touch on a few issues and then will come back to the rest later

2.1 "Start loudly as who they are gonna target through out lets like MD mainly and then SPORT."
I see no issue here, all teams do the same.


2.2 "Then they unsettle the player from their clubs"

As far as we know, Only Seri was the closest to being unsettled. Dembele was unsettled, yes, but how could he not be? There was only so much

money a club is willing to pay for a player, so the player has to play their part to be sold by his club. This is not unique to Barca. Also, this has more

to do with the maturiy of the player than the club itself. You know how many players have been so close to signing for barca and din't get their wish

come true? yet, we don't hear about Inigo Martinez feeling like crap for not signing for barca. Some players are more mature.


2.3 "Demand that they make their desire to join Barcelona public."
Dembele, Semedo, Ter Stegen, Umtiti didn't have to publicly say that they wanted to join Barca, and we signed them.


2.4 ". They then put the player in a situation like you either come now, or Barca will never again consider you."
I mean, how do they do this? what evidence is there of this? I remember they couldn't sign Suarez the first time, and yet they signed him the

season after that. If anything, the club drains the other team to the point that they agree to sell the season after that, so that next season it's

almost a piece of cake to sign the player b.c the hardest part has been worked: to convince the club to sell

2.5 "The next step is either they bid again or pull out of the deal without any notice, putting immense psychological pressure on the player. Either they will come back a couple days later with again a lousy bid, or will not. "

This is literally what all clubs do. Every year you hear of players who almost leave a club, but then they don't. Alexis almost left Arsenal, Griezmann almost left Atletico de Madrid.
You are literally describing what all teams do.
Do you really think this year was the first time PSG tried to sign Neymar?

The only reason Bartomeu gets crap for this, well, it's b.c he has a lot of opposition on the other side. It is well known that Laporta actually has

many friends in the media right now. If anything, it is more likely Bartomeu is being framed by the media than anything else.

You have a good theory, but it only works if you already made up your mind that Bartomeu and the way we sign is "bad". We are doing what every

club does, especially this last window that we had so much money, such a short amount of time, and many clubs not willing to sell b.c it was to late

to do so.

And your excuses keep rolling in.

Politically this whole Rosell/ Farro era has been the worst ever. Football wise they've been saved by the brilliant spine of this team.

This board needs to go asap. Like yesterday.

They lie all the time, don't plan properly, use the club for personal gain, have not got Messi to sign new contract, shit signings, Neymar fiasco...la Masia...etc etc

Yes, there is the possibility their successors may fuck up but we cannot wait for this board to turn us into a Europa league team.
 
I'm officially convinced. I've decided to remove any support for this administration. I want them out as soon as possible. '
I still believe this team will do well the first part of the season, but we deserve new people with new ideas. This is getting us nowhere. We've already wasted so much time!

OFFICIALLY ANTI- BARTOMEU
 
I'm officially convinced. I've decided to remove any support for this administration. I want them out as soon as possible. '
I still believe this team will do well the first part of the season, but we deserve new people with new ideas. This is getting us nowhere. We've already wasted so much time!

OFFICIALLY ANTI- BARTOMEU

:worthy:

That just leaves Jamdav...
 

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