Josep Maria Bartomeu

[JamDav1982]

I don't think the situations are similar. The problem with taxes is just one of several. Messi's problems are his own, the Neymar deal affects the club.

I am only saying the situations are similar in that both parties were accused of avoiding paying tax and both decided to make payments when accused.

If that is seen as a sign of guilt in one case you have to apply that to both. If you dont have any real insight into what has gone on.

 

[pawanme10]

Right now I feel more disgusted that I'm supporting this club than I have ever been.


So not paying your taxes, lying to the socis and paying 99M euros for someone who is in his last year of contract is the right thing to do these days..also he didn't regreted anything. He actually said that he will do it all over again.

+1

I am only saying the situations are similar in that both parties were accused of avoiding paying tax and both decided to make payments when accused.

If that is seen as a sign of guilt in one case you have to apply that to both. If you dont have any real insight into what has gone on.

Good point, though. But, Messi was not really affected.
Our president resigned. Suggests foul play.

 

[Tomchin]

For the love of God please hold new elections in the summer. You can say all you want about Laporta but Rosell destroyed the best era the club has ever had. Pep leaving, Thiago leaving, countless of other members of staff leaving, Valdés leaving, appointing Zubi who is probably the worst director of football in history, appointing Eusebio for Barcelona B, etc... I could go on.

The Neymar transfer is just the all time high of how bad this board has been. Right now they're paying €13.6M extra to avoid tax fraud. I don't know what's worse, this happening or the board still acting like nothing's happened and Rosell left because he felt threatened CLOWNS! Get the fuck out!

Galning, you're a socio, right? Why not initiate a vote of confidence?

 

[Sumlit]

I am only saying the situations are similar in that both parties were accused of avoiding paying tax and both decided to make payments when accused.

If that is seen as a sign of guilt in one case you have to apply that to both. If you dont have any real insight into what has gone on.

JamDav the courts acquitted Messi of any wrongdoing pretty much from the beginning of the case. If any legal matter had advanced forward, it would have been directed at Jorge Messi and the accountants that managed Messi's affairs. Obviously his name would have been dragged through all the crap, but the judge dismissed Messi himself from legal ramifications very early.

Also, I think people need to remember that tax discrepancies are not the same thing as tax evasion. Tax authorities might very well claim you owe them more than you payed, that still does not mean you evaded taxes. There has to be proof of knowingly defrauding and lying for tax evasion charges to stick.

If tax authorities show you owed them more than you payed, and you agree and pay the amount owed, the story ends there. No tax evasion was present.

 

[JamDav1982]

JamDav the courts acquitted Messi of any wrongdoing pretty much from the beginning of the case. If any legal matter had advanced forward, it would have been directed at Jorge Messi and the accountants that managed Messi's affairs. Obviously his name would have been dragged through all the crap, but the judge dismissed Messi himself from legal ramifications very early.

Also, I think people need to remember that tax discrepancies are not the same thing as tax evasion. Tax authorities might very well claim you owe them more than you payed, that still does not mean you evaded taxes. There has to be proof of knowingly defrauding and lying for tax evasion charges to stick.

If tax authorities show you owed them more than you payed, and you agree and pay the amount owed, the story ends there. No tax evasion was present.

I am not saying Messi did anything wrong and the case was brought against Messi and his father after they had made a payment.

Where are you getting the idea that nothing was being brought against Messi?

As far as I can see it was Messi and his father the case was brought against and they were both called to give evidence.

 

[Sumlit]

I am not saying Messi did anything wrong and the case was brought against Messi and his father after they had made a payment.

Where are you getting the idea that nothing was being brought against Messi?

As far as I can see it was Messi and his father the case was brought against and they were both called to give evidence.

After they were called to court, the judge publicly said Messi had nothing to do with the case. If the case had gone forward, the legal penalty, if any, would have been levied against Messi's management team.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Also, I think people need to remember that tax discrepancies are not the same thing as tax evasion. Tax authorities might very well claim you owe them more than you payed, that still does not mean you evaded taxes. There has to be proof of knowingly defrauding and lying for tax evasion charges to stick.

If tax authorities show you owed them more than you payed, and you agree and pay the amount owed, the story ends there. No tax evasion was present.

This.

 

[Galning]

Galning, you're a socio, right? Why not initiate a vote of confidence?

There's only so much a 21 year old student can do, leading a vote of no confidence isn't one of them

 

[Flavia]

FC Barcelona defend the legality of Neymar's signing

www.fcbarcelona.cat
02/24/2014 22:07

The 13.5 million euros paid to the Tax Agency is an act of prudence and the Club expects the sum to be repaid at the conclusion of the legal proceedings

FC Barcelona President Josep Maria Bartomeu held a press conference this Monday along with Vice-Presidents Javier Faus, Manel Arroyo, and Jori Calsamiglia, coordinator of the Club’s legal team, to address the questions around Neymar’s signing and the 13.5 million euros paid to government tax authorities this morning to “cover the possible interpretations that can be given in all contracts signed” during Neymar’s signing process. Bartomeu and Faus clarified that they were advised by the Club’s legal counsel and external lawyers. “It’s an action of prudence recommended by our advisors,” said economic Vice-President Faus. “FC Barcelona worked legally in the signing of Neymar. We’ve always been advised by the best lawyers. We have always complied with our fiscal commitments and our debt is zero. We don’t owe taxes,” said President Bartomeu.

He added that he expects to recover the 13.5 million euros at the conclusion of the legal proceedings: “We are in the right. We are convinced that the money we paid to the Tax Agency, in order to avoid complicating the issue further, will be returned to the Club.”

“The fiscal operation is legitimate”

Faus went on to explain that the two firms hired by the Club – Cristóbal Martell and Cuatrecasas – concur in that “there is no criminal risk in the misappropriation” suit. “The fiscal operation is also legitimate. There is no business simulation. But our advisors noted that the Tax Agency is very aggressive when it comes to business simulation,” said Faus. The economic vice-president added: “We have been informed that the contract signed with N&N could be considered salary, and we were advised, given this possible interpretation, to make an additional statement.” Faus also noted his surprise that that “National Court accepted the complaint against Barça for tax fraud without first consulting with the Tax Agency.”

Faus confirmed that the Club “has paid 13.5 million euros in order to avoid risks. The tax is only on the 40 million euros, but we have also included the scouting and marketing contracts.” He reiterated that the 40 million sum paid to N&N “is a legal and transparent payment. We find ourselves with the paradox of having to pay taxes twice.” The vice-president then explained that the operation has been taxed twice, seeing that N&N paid its taxes in Brazil and FC Barcelona paid its taxes in Spain. “We, in defence of the Club, have had to take this route. We will have to wait for the two agencies to talk to each other and come to an agreement.”

Finally, President Bartomeu said that “if Club member Jordi Cases hadn’t brought the suit against Barça, this would not have happened.”

 

[ryuken]

This board failed so hard it isnt funny anymore.

 

[Barcilliant]

These clowns need to go. Bartomeu is a shameless moron. The Neymar signing may be the deathknell for this club.

 

[Antimadridista1]

This is just ridiculous. We need a new board, fresh start. New players, new staff, maybe a new coach but I think that Tata is good enough to handle the situation.

 

[Gascav]

This is just ridiculous. We need a new board, fresh start. New players, new staff, maybe a new coach but I think that Tata is good enough to handle the situation.

Second that

 

[mazp]

I agree this board needs to go. I'd just wish all this would have come out and the end of the season. Not during it.

 

[tello]

This is just ridiculous. We need a new board, fresh start. New players, new staff, maybe a new coach but I think that Tata is good enough to handle the situation.

Absolutely but I go for Klopp instead of Tata if I could chose !