Kylian Mbappé

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Prime example of what I said in the previous post lol

I counted 3 misplaced passes in that highlight video:
- at 0:43 outside of his boot where he was under pressure from 2 defenders and had to 'get rid'
- backheel at 2:30 which didn't work but was the right idea
- cross at 2:47


Also whoscored says he had 86% accuracy (26 of 30 successful)
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...18-2019-Manchester-United-Paris-Saint-Germain

Plenty of lovely turns as well.

Standard confirmation bias mate. You've already decided you don't remember a good game from him and you'll do your worst to try and prove that idea.
Watch the damn game.

Same way goes for you, you said he was excellent which is wrong. He had one tap-in, 0 assists, 0 created chances, 2 successful dribbles, missed 3 good chances. How on earth is this an excellent performance ? As i said he was not bad but also not good, let alone excellent.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

If he's not a generational talent, who is, and what more than Mbappe have they done to prove it? Who, right now, has been a major element in a major win with his NT, has played a major role in his (Monaco, 2nd tier team at best) team reaching the CL semis, and has played a CL final? Yes, I know, he missed a huge chance in that final. No one is arguing he's already the best player in the world, not even PSG fans. He's still very young. But he has already achieved a lot more than any youngster out there. And by a huge fucking margin.

I dont care if someone has a generational talent or not. I evaluate them by watching their performances on the pitch. People also said that Dembele is a generational talent and what did he done for the last three years ? Nothing. Mbappe was special at Monaco and had a good WC, thats it.

 

[Andresito]

Its a vague term, but for me there are two distinctions: a) worldclass (guys like Etoo, Henry epc pp) and b) generational (both Ronaldos, Messi, Ronaldinho etc pp). Mbappe belongs in the first category (which is still massive).

Edit: On ability alone, I dont care for achievements.

I agree. It's important to differ between world class and generational talent. The line can be very subtle.

It's too early to say if Mbappe is a generational talent or not, I mean look at how Varane burst into the scene, pocketing Messi in a Clasico. He didn't have that linear development curve and never became the world's best CB during a longer period like he was fortuned to be. For now I'd put him in the world class bracket, but even that feels weird when comparing to someone like Eto'o, probably because it's hard to overlook achievements.

 

[El Gato]

Same way goes for you, you said he was excellent which is wrong. He had one tap-in, 0 assists, 0 created chances, 2 successful dribbles, missed 3 good chances. How on earth is this an excellent performance ? As i said he was not bad but also not good, let alone excellent.

It was an excellent performance in an away CL match, which you couldn't ask more of. Bagged the one high xG shot he got. Barely put a foot wrong (3-4 passes and 2 24-41% xG chances). Nice and decisive.

Similar kind of performance away at Dortmund this year.

You can keep digging a hole if you want. You're already in the murky ground of trying to push decisive performances with goals and assists as something 'average'.

what did he done for the last three years ? Nothing. Mbappe was special at Monaco and had a good WC, thats it.

- spanked Argentina and Croatia in the WC in knockout fixtures
- great performance at United away in 2019
- very good performance at Dortmund away
- good performances vs Atalanta and Leipzig

Keeps nice balance on his combined league+cup comps xG too.

Also BTW, he's 22.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

It was an excellent performance in an away CL match, which you couldn't ask more of. Bagged the one high xG shot he got. Barely put a foot wrong (3-4 passes and 2 24-41% xG chances). Nice and decisive.

Similar kind of performance away at Dortmund this year.

You can keep digging a hole if you want. You're already in the murky ground of trying to push decisive performances with goals and assists as something 'average'.



- spanked Argentina and Croatia in the WC in knockout fixtures
- great performance at United away in 2019
- very good performance at Dortmund away
- good performances vs Atalanta and Leipzig

Keeps nice balance on his combined league+cup comps xG too.

Also BTW, he's 22.

You have a strange definition about 'excellent'. First you said it was an excellent performance, in the second paragraph you say it was a great performance.
Very good performance against dortmund away ? Beside the one run ( I admit this was really good) to give the assist he has done nothing. This is for Wolfe very good.

I have the feeling you know you were wrong but dont want to admit it.

Its ok when we have different opinions, lets end this discussion.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Its a vague term, but for me there are two distinctions: a) worldclass (guys like Etoo, Henry epc pp) and b) generational (both Ronaldos, Messi, Ronaldinho etc pp). Mbappe belongs in the first category (which is still massive).

Edit: On ability alone, I dont care for achievements.

+1

Many people dont understand the difference between these two categories.

 

[El Gato]

Beside the one run ( I admit this was really good) to give the assist he has done nothing.

Now now, you can admit you don't actually remember watching it and you watched the highlight to make it seem like you know

Great and excellent are commonly interchangeable in the context of rating anything. 3 out of 5 is not great. 4/5 is. 5/5 is not excellent either, because you can be excellent but not 100% successful which is what 5 implies.

 

[wisconsincule]

I love when these loser Madrid fans get butt hurt

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Now now, you can admit you don't actually remember watching it and you watched the highlight to make it seem like you know

Great and excellent are commonly interchangeable in the context of rating anything. 3 out of 5 is not great. 4/5 is. 5/5 is not excellent either, because you can be excellent but not 100% successful which is what 5 implies.

As i said i think you know you are wrong and now tries to rescue it with bullshit definitions. Lets end this. Have a nice day.

 

[El Gato]

^
Nah. Pretty sure I'm the only one providing tangible facts and drawing conclusions on their basis where as you're down here producing "I don't remember a single good CL performance" and trying to catchup by watching highlights.

 

[Andresito]

Wait Mbappe is 22 already. Will always be 20 years old in my mind. Like Isco 25 and Bartra 22.

 

[CatalinR10]

,,generational player "



only generational thing about him is him having a great game against a top team every generation



imagine being called better than Messi and CR at same age because you stattpad in a farmers league and then get knocked out by a bunch of United school boys in the CL and when it's really time to shine , a CL final which you got there due to extra min goal luck and favorable draws , you play like shit and miss a sitter and lose the final.


SMH , the french Malcom.


If this guy wasn't a speed merchant he wouldn't even be a top20 french talent.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

^
Nah. Pretty sure I'm the only one providing tangible facts and drawing conclusions on their basis where as you're down here producing "I don't remember a single good CL performance" and trying to catchup by watching highlights.

I have saw both matches and i remember that Mbappe wasnt good against manu and dortmund away. You said he was excellent and so of course i watched the highlights again to see if i am wrong. After watching these I saw that i was right. Maybe you should watch it.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

,,generational player "



only generational thing about him is him having a great game against a top team every generation



imagine being called better than Messi and CR at same age because you stattpad in a farmers league and then get knocked out by a bunch of United school boys in the CL and when it's really time to shine , a CL final which you got there due to extra min goal luck and favorable draws , you play like shit and miss a sitter and lose the final.


SMH , the french Malcom.


If this guy wasn't a speed merchant he wouldn't even be a top20 french talent.

+1

But Wolfe is acting like Mbappe put perfromances like prime Messi. If Mbappe's performances against manu and dortmund away are excellent, what are performances from Messi against Manu (Cl final), Arsenal, Bayern, Liverpool, Real madrid (2011) and also against City when he didnt even scored and still was by far the best man. These are excellent performances.

 

[El Gato]

But Wolfe is acting like Mbappe put perfromances like prime Messi.

Not my problem that this is the parallel you draw in your head.

of course i watched the highlights again to see if i am wrong. After watching these I saw that i was right.