RMU ReBorn
New member
Look at Zidane's team in League table. Stop this trolling . You have been posting this shit for past 3 weeks . Real has lost the league in january and can rest anyone
La Liga 2017/18
- Thread starter Galning
- Start date
serghei
Senior Member
As others have told you, he also rotated last year and he won the CL and La Liga. He hasn't lost the league because he rotated, but because his team was in horrible form in the first half of the season.
BarçaBarça
New member
Last year he also had the best squad in the world. We haven't got anything near that - which surely makes it less risky to rotate.
I mean - who do they fear most in this Bayern-team? James is surely one of them - their bench-player from last year! Tells you something about the quality of the squad they had.
Surely Valverde could rotate more, but he doesn't have comparable conditions to Zidane who has the most luxury-squad in the world..
RMU ReBorn
New member
In last season he had Moratta , Isco , Vasquez , james, kovacic in the bench Valverede has Gomes , Paulinho , Denis , Paco . James and Moratta can be undisputed starters in any world class team . Kovacic , Vasquez , Isco are light yeaes better than Gomes , Denis and Paulinho . Difference
FinBarcelonafan
Well-known member
Dembele is a sub this season. He is a high level sub.
RMU ReBorn
New member
We are leading La liga by 11 points . we've used him properly after his injury even as a regular starter at times . He does have to up his game in away matches were he loses ball at times so Ev couldn't afford to take risk at times . Completely justified exclusion whenever he wasn't given chances . Dembele isn't a finished product like Morata and james . He is just 20
KingLeo10
Senior Member
the more you make excuses, the more we won't be able to solve the issues. in the last 5-6 seasons, teams have only feared us in 2015. in CL, teams fear real these days because their top level is higher than any other team right now. this "we're 15 points above them" nonsense is making you sound like valverde and the united fans back in the days with SAF where they ran the league but were limp in europe.
RMU ReBorn
New member
You were talking about league and claimed that we managed to beat only mid table teams . Which is utter non sense . We had clear edge over Atletico in la liga over past three seasons , a team that had one of the best defense in europe . If you wanna wank about UCL do that but don't derail facts to validate your stupid theory . Dominant team should be able to dominate both europe and league . If you are 15 points behind in a competition stretching over 38 matches that shows that you aren't dominant but just a side that are designed to do well in cup games
KingLeo10
Senior Member
real is dominant. so were the milan teams that won CLs but not serie As most of the time (even the sacchi ones though they had some TOUGH competition).
teams like barca 08/09, 10/11 or 14/15 or bayern 12/13 or real 16/17 are once in a generation winning machines that can't be sustained. real had no problem winning liga + CL when they also had james + morata + pepe on top of current squad and a slightly younger CR7. They are thin on depth this year (tho much better than us), but still their top level is currently the best in europe, with bayern second.
also UCL is the true test of a team's strength, though there is some luck involved. but over 2 legs, the team with the best strength, mentality, preparation should nearly always win which is why since real finally cracked this formula in 2014, they've only been beaten by juve in 5 years in KO.
the legendary status of pep's barca and even MSN was achieved by UCL domination. ligas were a genuine delight too but UCL is what makes history, for better or worse. let's not turn into united fans and hide behind the "but we're consistent over 38 games".
Last edited:
Neeraj
Senior Member
It would be really childish to suddenly covet the league title and dismiss the CL as being down to 'luck'. While I agree that CL does involve luck, when we were bossing the competition, the CL is what made us a fearsome team that teams around the world shuddered to face. It wasn't our league domination, that's for sure. The UCL is what defines great teams, and it's the reason why Real are still considered one of the best always, even though they've won 2 in 10 Ligas.
I agree with the above post, suddenly dismissing the UCL will be following in the vein of United supporters.
I agree with the above post, suddenly dismissing the UCL will be following in the vein of United supporters.
RMU ReBorn
New member
Nobody is dismissing the value of Cl . Above post maker said that Barca managed to beat only mid table teams in league last few years and Real are dominant . Both are absurd . By saying that nobody is derailing the value of CL .
Neeraj
Senior Member
Yeah, I wasn't responding specifically to your post, but was a general statement.
serghei
Senior Member
Valverde's time for rotations has passed after he tanked hard in CL. Now it's too late. He should have rotated for CL latter stages but failed miserably. He has zero excuses. He didn't even rest the players in easy home games.
Valverde is a rookie manager in CL, and he showed that. Zidane is leagues ahead of Valverde in mentality, which is very important in CL, some would say it's the key attribute. First season of Valverde in Europe was a disaster of epic proportions. Don't know a lot of historical data, but I don't remember us ever losing a tie after winning by 3 goals in the first leg.
Valverde has no excuses. He's been dominated in CL by teams far weaker than his. Except for the win vs Juve in the first game, almost every game Barca played in CL was mediocre. Sometimes the star players saved the day. The minute they couldn't and lady luck left us we got trashed.
The level of football required to at least push for a CL final (in terms of offensive power, team cohesion, team effort, tactics flexibility etc.) wasn't there at any point under Valverde. It probably won't ever be. It's just too much for him to handle. Tactically, physically, and mentally, we weren't even competitive enough to fight off Roma. They were very unlucky not to have scored 5-6 goals.
Last edited:
KingLeo10
Senior Member
It's not even a rookie mistake. It's a clear cut lack in ambition and imagination...
he came out and openly said he was thinking of valencia game before the roma one...
he rested 6-7 starters v celta away because he said his eye was on the copa final...
the man has as much ambition with Barcelona and a roster of legends (albeit on the wane) and WC players/potential WC players as he would with a mid table Bilbao side with Inaki Williams and Aduriz as their only hope.
Lucho never had a lack of ambition, and even Tata was better than this. Even the likes of Unai Emery show more attacking ambition in CL than this man. recent weeks revealed him to be the worst possible manager for barca in the current transition period, although the warning signs were there for me when he insisted on playing iniesta over a prime coutinho in the copa and liga games in jan-feb.
Home of Barca Fans
