La Liga | Round 12: Cadiz - FC Barcelona 2-1

[serghei]

Glad to see you finally starting to get it

He's getting there. Slowly but steady.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

We should learn a thing or two from Bundesliga sides. And it's exactly that. Rebuilding a new side is exciting as well for a club. Fans of players not the club fail to see this, as the birth of a new side is for them the fading away of their idol. But it is.

I think after the full prime of a side, the building of a new team is the most exciting period in the club's path.

The worst is the fading away post-prime. Lazyness, overpaid players, lack of hunger, age catching up to them, finished legs, all the bad things fans don't like to see.

Good point. I love watching Dortmund and Liepzig play, even if they are shitshow in the end. They play fun football.

 

[KingLeo10]

Malvolio is like the raging alcoholic version of BBZ with his "veterans need to play because every youngster is automatically shit" takes.

 

[jairzinho]

This is the 4th or 5th game we've dropped points because of bum defending or comical goalkeeping. Those are our biggest problems right now.

 

[fergus90]

This is the 4th or 5th game we've dropped points because of bum defending or comical goalkeeping. Those are our biggest problems right now.

True but you could also say scoring a combined 2 goals from Cadiz, Getafe, Atletico and Alaves away shows we are toothless in attack against a low block. Ultimately we are littered with problems all over the pitch.

 

[serghei]

True but you could also say scoring a combined 2 goals from Cadiz, Getafe, Atletico and Alaves away shows we are toothless in attack against a low block. Ultimately we are littered with problems all over the pitch.

Not to mention that our lack of any transition when Messi plays basically turns nearly every defense into a low block.

 

[Birdy]

4 out of 15 points in all away LaLiga games this season. Only one good game vs Celta, and 4 bad ones (Getafe, Alaves, Atleti, Cadiz) which would have all ended in a loss had it not been for the Alaves red card.
That says it all!

As for tonight, it's always difficult to break a well parked double-bus, but there are some clear conclusions:
1) Messi should go ASAP. January is already too late.
2) Busi should retire
3) Griezman is completely useless against deep blocks
4) Lenglet is terribly off this season. Koeman should maybe start pairing Araujo and Minigueza

Other than that, the usual pathogenies were there

 

[El Gato]

3) Griezman is completely useless against deep blocks

Was fine vs Osasuna.
Other than that, agreed.

Cadiz may be better than I gave them credit for in that calendar review few days back. Or it's still just Koeman having a Zidane-Benz type of irrational love for his favourite midfielder showing next to no desire to find a reliable alternative.

 

[Birdy]

Cadiz may be better than I gave them credit for in that calendar review few days back. Or it's still just Koeman having a Zidane-Benz type of irrational love for his favourite midfielder showing next to no desire to find a reliable alternative.

Irrational to the point that theories about his relationship with Busi's father are starting to become more believable

 

[malvolio]

Malvolio is like the raging alcoholic version of BBZ with his "veterans need to play because every youngster is automatically shit" takes.

You're confusing me for your father, mate.

It's quite funny, this whole discussion about youngsters. Like we have 10 exciting prospects that don't get enough chances. When in fact we got a guy in defense who is segunda level at best, Alena, Puig, Pedro and Trincao. Aside from the forum fetish of seeing Puig play, who are these youngsters that we should get excited about seeing play week in week out?

 

[te amo barca]

You're confusing me for your father, mate.

It's quite funny, this whole discussion about youngsters. Like we have 10 exciting prospects that don't get enough chances. When in fact we got a guy in defense who is segunda level at best, Alena, Puig, Pedro and Trincao. Aside from the forum fetish of seeing Puig play, who are these youngsters that we should get excited about seeing play week in week out?

Ansu and Pedri are very big talents. Alena is trash. Difficult to gauge Trincao and Puig's potential so far. Araujo is touted to be very promising but haven't seen him enough.

 

[malvolio]

Ansu and Pedri are very big talents. Alena is trash. Difficult to gauge Trincao and Puig's potential so far. Araujo is touted to be very promising but haven't seen him enough.

Ansu is injured so can't really play, can't he? Pedri got big questions marks around him when played in every game, particularly the tougher ones. The others are not Barca level, from what I've seen, but people like to think that playing them week in week out will make them better players.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Well, our finances are in ruins so we can't buy expensive players in the short run so we have no choices but to stick to our youngsters and find players within (like with Fati, Araujo and Mingueza etc.). What is the alternative? Nobody is saying let's bench all older and more established and experienced players, of course it is going to be mixture of both but the focus should be on the younger ones as all the veterans will be gone in 2 years and they will have to step in. Right now our goal is to qualify for the CL and prepare for the rebuild.

 

[malvolio]

Well, our finances are in ruins so we can't buy expensive players in the short run so we have no choices but to stick to our youngsters and find players within (like with Fati, Araujo and Mingueza etc.). What is the alternative? Nobody is saying let's bench all older and more established and experienced players, of course it is going to be mixture of both but the focus should be on the younger ones as all the veterans will be gone in 2 years and they will have to step in. Right now our goal is to qualify for the CL and prepare for the rebuild.

Your initial point was that it would be more exciting seeing us play youngsters week in week out. Good luck with seeing us languish in the middle of the La Liga table then.

We fucked up big time by not having a core of 2-3 players in their prime. Squad consists of shite/inexperienced youngsters, a couple of veterans verging on retirement and some terrible big money transfers

 

[Luftstalag14]

Your initial point was that it would be more exciting seeing us play youngsters week in week out. Good luck with seeing us languish in the middle of the La Liga table then.

We fucked up big time by not having a core of 2-3 players in their prime. Squad consists of shite/inexperienced youngsters, a couple of veterans verging on retirement and some terrible big money transfers

Yes, it is exciting for me to watch the younger players playing with a lot of energy, zest and motivation, I would prefer watching that every week than watch veteran players dragging their asses and playing slow, lethargic and unmotivated football. Sure they will lose games but our veterans are not faring any better, are they?

Right now the most important thing is the rebuild as the veterans are near the exit and we need to build a team to be competitive again. I think it is OK to not win trophies for a few seasons as long as we do the homework right and lay the foundation for future success.

No disagreement on the transfer blunders and failures, too many of them to count and too much money wasted.