Lionel Messi - v7

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Dig up your meaningless statistics man and you will see (before tempering with those) that it is NOT significantly true.
Elderly players usually know their bodies better, hence they know how to prevent injuries (apart from caused by external tackles and shit like that).

That's what you actually hope for, which is disgusting in itself, so you could carry on with another written saga against the GOAT.
As a matter of fact, he is most probably more sensitive to muscle injuries due to the complete lack of the gradual pre-season work that needs to be done specifically to avoid injuries and instant muscle stress.

I don't know why we even have to discuss about obvious scientific facts.
The same as when I had to explain to some users a few years ago how wingers (Neymar in a particular case when he was 24-25) statistically the most likely won't rule the world or improve after a current age since he will probably lose pace and end his prime aged 27-28, because science and stats say so based on 1000s of cases. (As a reply to posts in 2016/17: Neymar is the future, he will rule the World and win Ballon D Ors after Messi and CR7. The most likely answer was: he won't, based on his current skill level compared to other Ballon Do or contenders and age/soon to be losing pace and prime.)

Regarding higher incidence of injuries with age and how they usually heal longer, let's go:

About more injuries to older players:
Injuries are more common in football compared to most other types of sport and numerous studies have been carried out to investigate the type, location, and severity of injuries in football. Several studies have also examined selected potential intrinsic (person-related) or extrinsic (environment-related) risk factors, whereas injury mechanisms rarely have been studied. These studies have shown that intrinsic risk factors such as increased age, career duration and previous injury seem to
increase the risk of injuries.

Risk Factors for Hamstring Strains
The players who incurred hamstring strains in the study period were significantly older, and there was a trend toward higher body fat percentage than in the group without hamstring strains. A history of a previous strain was a significant risk factor for a new strain on the same side during the study period (Fig. 2). Also, when risk factors were treated as categorical variables, the oldest group of players (>1 SD above mean, 29 to 38 years) had a significantly higher risk of a hamstring strain than the intermediate group (P = 0.02). In the multivariate logistic regression analysis (where previous injury, age, weight, and body fat were included), age and previous hamstring strains were found to be significant predictor variables .

Risk Factors for Injury
Most studies on risk factors for football injuries have used a univariate analysis to compare injured and noninjured groups of players. Because of the complexity of risk factor analysis and possible interaction between different risk factors, a multivariate model has been recommended. The main risk factors identified in the present study were previous injury and age, and the multivariate tests showed that although there was some confounding, both factors influence injury risk. Previous injury is associated with increased age but is also an independent risk factor for injury. Previous studies have reported conflicting results on age as a risk factor, some finding that older players are more prone to injury and others not. Previous studies on football players have reported a high rate of recurrent hamstring strains and groin strains, as well as knee and ankle sprains.
In the present study, a previous strain or sprain on the same side was found to be a strong predictor for a new injury. In the case of adductor or hamstring strains, this may be due to changes in the structural or scar tissue formation in the muscle or tendon after injury or inadequate rehabilitation as well as too early a return to competitive physical activity after the previous strain.

Length of a recovery:
Age-Related Responses to Injury
It is one of the great and enduring ironies of sport that while fitness and athletic competition are often perceived as important components to a healthy and enjoyable passage into middle age and beyond, the aging process limits athletic performance as emphatically as any other barrier.

The age-related response to injury must be considered in two ways: how age affects the physical ability of the body to recover from a particular injury, and the impact age has on the mental and psychological capability of an athlete to deal with the stresses of rehabilitation and recovery.

In general terms, aging is a process of often gradual change to the physical structures and organs of the human body. The aging process is unrelated to, but may be accelerated by, disease, traumatic injury, or accident; aging also impacts upon the manner in which the body recovers from an injury. As the body ages, muscle mass will decrease, typically in a more pronounced fashion after age 45, as the muscle protein rebuilding and repair processes become slower and less effective, resulting in decreased physical strength. The power of the heart, and the corresponding ability of the body to transport oxygen by way of the red blood cell system, also begins a slow but perceptible decline in performance at age 40. These general aspects of aging in athletes are each influenced by the specific makeup of each athlete.

Age is of particular importance in the consideration of how athlete injuries are managed and treated. In general terms, a younger person will heal from injury more quickly than an older subject with a similar injury; the recovery rate is directly related to the speed with which the body can grow new cells to repair itself. Various sports science studies have illustrated that an injured athlete of age 45 and over will recover at a rate of between 15% and 18% slower than a similarly injured 30-year-old person. Skin thickness is reduced by as much as 30% by age 50, making the skin more susceptible to cuts and lacerations. Bone density naturally decreases by approximately 10% by age 50; conditions such as osteoporosis (a common disease in persons who do not consume proper amounts of bone-building minerals) will tend to reduce bone density still further, making the skeleton more prone to fractures.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/972b/e6faa7c2f2111d6051a93b9393103e57d8f4.pdf
https://www.encyclopedia.com/sports/sports-fitness-recreation-and-leisure-magazines/age-related-responses-injury
 

Lapi

Member
I don't know why we even have to discuss about obvious scientific facts.

Why? Because we are/were talking about two different things.

Obviously you are right about the length of recovery, no one would argue that, but even your quoted text primarily mentions the RISK FACTOR, something that is definitely gets higher by age.
Nevertheless what I mentioned was something slightly different, namely that older players KNOW their bodies better, therefore they often know how to avoid those specific types of injuries.

So naturally the risk is higher by age, but the actual statistics do not mirror any significant difference between younger and older players, as far as the actual injury-data is observed.
 

Hardy

Senior Member
seems like he'll be available for Inter, hope they know what they're doing, remember what happened last time he had this series of injuries in 2013, now is an elongation, next time could be a torn and his season is pretty much compromised.
 

Ripsta

New member
Don't fucking bring him off the bench, start him and give him a half or 60 mins, bringing him off the bench when the team are struggling is just putting more pressure on him to produce something special.
 

eaman

Active member
What's with all this dont play him rubbish. I had a feeling he'd be back this week because as valverde said it was only a thigh strain and nothing to do with his last injury. He needs the minutes because if he doesn't play he will barely have any minutes played until the end of october due to another international break.
 

FinBarcelonafan

Well-known member
What's with all this dont play him rubbish. I had a feeling he'd be back this week because as valverde said it was only a thigh strain and nothing to do with his last injury. He needs the minutes because if he doesn't play he will barely have any minutes played until the end of october due to another international break.

You seriously think he would play if the game was against a small team? He is going to play and not close to 100% and big chance he gets injured..
 

eaman

Active member
You seriously think he would play if the game was against a small team? He is going to play and not close to 100% and big chance he gets injured..

Ya I do think he would play and who says he's not 100 percent. It was a slight thigh strain which usually only takes a few days to heal. He needs minutes to get his season up and going and he cant be waiting too long. If he waits he wont be match fit until November some time
 

Pedro

La Masia
Let's hope Leo scores vs. Inter

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