Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi V2

[Maradona37]

This answer is too long 😭😭😭😭

I was replying to the other person too. MDub94.

 

[Maradona37]

@mara they didnt stop winning serie after he arrived, they won it in his first 2 of 3 years when he has been there 🤬

Like I say, he's obviously a brilliant player, I am probably too harsh on him at times because of my distaste for him.

But it just feels 'wrong' based on my football experience, playing and watching, to rate him on Messi's level, or Maradona and Pele. I don't know how to explain it but i just get a weird, unnatural feeling when he is placed there. Like my body and brain are telling me he doesn't belong there at all. Like how I would react to a bad smell.

It's hard to explain really, I just don't think the hype or reputation matches the reality. I think his fame off the park and his so-called 'looks (lol) give him a massive boost as a player. But I would still likely have him top 10 of all time. Though there have been many brilliant players.

I think most of his reputation comes from his goal record. Without that, I think he would be rated far lower. What people don't realise though is he has tons of poor performances he masks with goals. Messi isn't really like that. That's the difference for me - Messi's game doesn't revolve around shallow G/A stats (despite the fact he gets lots of them anyway) - Ronaldo's does.

 

[MDub94]

Welcome! If you have questions dont be shy to ask us 👍 random question: Where do you put Cristiano in yout list?

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Cristiano is one of the most difficult to rank from my top 20 tbh. In my opinion he is definitely top 10, there is no doubt about that. He finds himself between 4 and 6 at the moment. The holy trinity of Messi, Pelé and Maradona are far ahead as they offer(ed) so much more to the overall game than Cristiano, especially in terms of dribbling, ball progression and creativity. Cristianos sheer goalscoring capability and versatility(!) regarding his ability to shoot strong and precise with both feet and his all time great heading of the ball is what makes him really special (and therefore among the top 4 to 6 in my list; with Alfredo di Stéfano and Johan Cruyff being the other).

I don't want to start my barcaforum journey with totally going off-topic in Messi's thread though (probably already too late at this point 😅), so I thought we could open a new thread for discussions on top lists and rating players in historic context in general. I don't know how this forum works yet, so maybe you could enlighten me.

 

[MDub94]

First of all, thanks very much.

Just google top 50 players ever or best players post WWII and plenty will come up. Also, wikipedia is pretty accurate these days and you can attain a lot of good information from there - for instance I already knew a good amount about the World Cup, but I learned about lesser events and lesser known players when I was writing articles for a site prior to the 2022 edition. You can learn from there about all sorts of leagues, players etc. As long as you check the sources it will be fine. And the sources will lead you to good football sites too. There's stuff on the history of the game, players, tactics etc.

I have lost a bit of love for learning about the game as I get older, but if your appetite is still very strong there are definitely places on the internet. As I said start with wikipedia.

Another good place to start is books. There's books about individual nations' histories, like Futebol: The Brazilian Way, Tor! (German football), or Brilliant Orange (Dutch).

Two really good books I have heard of (though I have only read about half of the first) are Inverting the Pyramid (Jonathan Wilson) and The Ball is Round (David Goldblatt). The first is about the history of tactics, the second more of an expansive look into the history of the game. I will read both in future I expect. Another good guy to read about tactics is Michael Cox sometimes, though he can be hit and miss.

Best of luck on youir journey about learning more about the history of the game.

Thanks for the warm welcome and for your advice.

I have spent countless hours on wikipedia, youtube and other sites discussing football and it's history to gather information. I have neglected the books so far, so I will definitely use this source more often in the future. If you haven't read my post to Fati above: where is the right place to post and discuss such top lists and history of the game in general here? Maybe a new thread?

 

[Maradona37]

Thanks for the warm welcome and for your advice.

I have spent countless hours on wikipedia, youtube and other sites discussing football and it's history to gather information. I have neglected the books so far, so I will definitely use this source more often in the future. If you haven't read my post to Fati above: where is the right place to post and discuss such top lists and history of the game in general here? Maybe a new thread?

You're welcome.

Good luck with it - there is a plethora of resources online and in printed form, and in video analysis etc. Football is big business. Just remember to take into account the worth or validity of the source.

I would just create a new thread if you wanna discuss the top 20/50 of all-time or whatever. Probably best to do it in club football. There's no real general forum as far as I am aware.

I am not sure that many guys on here care much about discussing the best players ever (outside the top 5/10), so you might not get much discussion. Worth a go, though.

 

[Andresito]

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Cristiano is one of the most difficult to rank from my top 20 tbh. In my opinion he is definitely top 10, there is no doubt about that. He finds himself between 4 and 6 at the moment. The holy trinity of Messi, Pelé and Maradona are far ahead as they offer(ed) so much more to the overall game than Cristiano, especially in terms of dribbling, ball progression and creativity. Cristianos sheer goalscoring capability and versatility(!) regarding his ability to shoot strong and precise with both feet and his all time great heading of the ball is what makes him really special (and therefore among the top 4 to 6 in my list; with Alfredo di Stéfano and Johan Cruyff being the other).

I don't want to start my barcaforum journey with totally going off-topic in Messi's thread though (probably already too late at this point 😅), so I thought we could open a new thread for discussions on top lists and rating players in historic context in general. I don't know how this forum works yet, so maybe you could enlighten me.

Opened a thread for you

Greatest player(s) of all time

We all know the answer already for top 1. Feel free to discuss whatever regarding rankings, top 5, player vs player etc.

www.barcaforum.com

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Like I say, he's obviously a brilliant player, I am probably too harsh on him at times because of my distaste for him.

But it just feels 'wrong' based on my football experience, playing and watching, to rate him on Messi's level, or Maradona and Pele. I don't know how to explain it but i just get a weird, unnatural feeling when he is placed there. Like my body and brain are telling me he doesn't belong there at all. Like how I would react to a bad smell.

It's hard to explain really, I just don't think the hype or reputation matches the reality. I think his fame off the park and his so-called 'looks (lol) give him a massive boost as a player. But I would still likely have him top 10 of all time. Though there have been many brilliant players.

I think most of his reputation comes from his goal record. Without that, I think he would be rated far lower. What people don't realise though is he has tons of poor performances he masks with goals. Messi isn't really like that. That's the difference for me - Messi's game doesn't revolve around shallow G/A stats (despite the fact he gets lots of them anyway) - Ronaldo's does.

Like I say, he's obviously a brilliant player, I am probably too harsh on him at times because of my distaste for him.

But it just feels 'wrong' based on my football experience, playing and watching, to rate him on Messi's level, or Maradona and Pele. I don't know how to explain it but i just get a weird, unnatural feeling when he is placed there. Like my body and brain are telling me he doesn't belong there at all. Like how I would react to a bad smell.

It's hard to explain really, I just don't think the hype or reputation matches the reality. I think his fame off the park and his so-called 'looks (lol) give him a massive boost as a player. But I would still likely have him top 10 of all time. Though there have been many brilliant players.

I think most of his reputation comes from his goal record. Without that, I think he would be rated far lower. What people don't realise though is he has tons of poor performances he masks with goals. Messi isn't really like that. That's the difference for me - Messi's game doesn't revolve around shallow G/A stats (despite the fact he gets lots of them anyway) - Ronaldo's does.

If you think about Cristiano you think about goals! Yes i agree with that but he got the high praising because he scores goals when your team needs it! Look at the amount of goals he scored during the 3 cls peat, umbelievable. The opponent name didnt matter, bro scored braces and hattricks like no one before him.

Anyways, i understand your point why you put Lionel over Cristiano, its ok, i get only confused when ppl say Cristiano isnt even top10 or 15 like i read often on fb 👀

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Cristiano is one of the most difficult to rank from my top 20 tbh. In my opinion he is definitely top 10, there is no doubt about that. He finds himself between 4 and 6 at the moment. The holy trinity of Messi, Pelé and Maradona are far ahead as they offer(ed) so much more to the overall game than Cristiano, especially in terms of dribbling, ball progression and creativity. Cristianos sheer goalscoring capability and versatility(!) regarding his ability to shoot strong and precise with both feet and his all time great heading of the ball is what makes him really special (and therefore among the top 4 to 6 in my list; with Alfredo di Stéfano and Johan Cruyff being the other).

I don't want to start my barcaforum journey with totally going off-topic in Messi's thread though (probably already too late at this point 😅), so I thought we could open a new thread for discussions on top lists and rating players in historic context in general. I don't know how this forum works yet, so maybe you could enlighten me.

Legit opinion.

You dont need to know much of this forum.

Boss is Barcaman.

Little bosses are Sito, me and Alik.

Im by far the oldest guy in this forum.

The KL group are often annoying when topic is Cristiano/Messi but otherwise good heart.

Rules are:

- Dont insult someone (except he insulted your mother).

- have a balance between pro-Messi and pro-Ronaldo posts

- resize pics before you post them

Have fun.

 

[CatalinR10]

Legit opinion.

You dont need to know much of this forum.

Boss is Barcaman.

Little bosses are Sito, me and Alik.

Im by far the oldest guy in this forum.

The KL group are often annoying when topic is Cristiano/Messi but otherwise good heart.

Rules are:

- Dont insult someone (except he insulted your mother).

- have a balance between pro-Messi and pro-Ronaldo posts

- resize pics before you post them

Have fun.

Man just shut the fuck up already

LMAO

 

[Horatio]

“The KL group” xD

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Man just shut the fuck up already

LMAO

You broke rule no. 1, that means 3 days ban! 💯🚑

 

[Windhook]

Cringe. There's a whole group of non-Barca people running the discussion on weekdays when there are no Barca matches.

 

[Windhook]

I call them refugees.

 

[soul24rage]

The GOAT

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869083933679169576

 

[Maradona37]

2nd anniversary of becoming a world champion.