Luis Enrique

StarLord

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Overrating opponents has been a symptom of most Barca fans ever since the Bayern defeat in 2013 so I'm not going to blame them for not wanting to be emotionally burned again.

But as I said, in the heat of the moment people aren't going to take the Suarez/Neymar factors into account[...]Although I agree with some of the points I've been seeing you making about people trying to downplay Lucho's success as if winning the treble is somehow a normal thing, has any team won the treble more than once? Certainly not in such a short space of time.

1. Overrating/underrating opponents for any reason is mistaken and must stop.

2. Well, they should have taken Suarez/Neymar into account. Again, it was a grave mistake not to do so.

3. No team has ever done the Treble more than once. Would be epic if we were the first.
 

klc123

Member
I really think this forum needs a huge batch of humble pie all round. Even when everyone on here has been proven that they were completely wrong they refuse to admit it. With the changes Lucho has made, Barca are better now than we ever were under Pep. We score more and concede less. We are not a one dimensional team any more.

We're on route for the treble in his first season by overcoming a Real side that was much better than the one Pep faced in his first season, and an atleti side who are a different level compared to what they were 6 years ago. We also beat the second best team in the world comfortably in the semi-finals of the champions league.

I really hope this is a wakeup call for many members of this forum who consistently post negative things about the manager, tactics, and players. Even if we lose the champions league and copa, I think lucho has done more than enough already to prove that those members are completely false in their analysis. I really hope he stays and is given a chance to bring in more players that he wants and continue building on this team.
 
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monamou

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Don Lucho

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raskolnikov

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I still think we were completely right back then to want him out. Thankfully we were wrong about him being to stubborn to pull a needed 180.
 

StarLord

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I really think this forum needs a huge batch of humble pie all round. Even when everyone on here has been proven that they were completely wrong they refuse to admit it. With the changes Lucho has made, Barca are better now than we ever were under Pep. We score more and concede less. We are not a one dimensional team any more.

We're on route for the treble in his first season by overcoming a Real side that was much better than the one Pep faced in his first season, and an atleti side who are a different level compared to what they were 6 years ago. We also beat the second best team in the world comfortably in the semi-finals of the champions league.

I really hope this is a wakeup call for many members of this forum who consistently post negative things about the manager, tactics, and players. Even if we lose the champions league and copa, I think lucho has done more than enough already to prove that those members are completely false in their analysis. I really hope he stays and is given a chance to bring in more players that he wants and continue building on this team.

Not exactly everyone.
 

Garrus

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I still think we were completely right back then to want him out. Thankfully we were wrong about him being to stubborn to pull a needed 180.
In what logic exactly it was "completely right" ??
Coaches shouldn't get evaluated or face the risk of the axe only six months into their jobs, Not even their first season, This isn't chelsea.
In our club, Managers are brought to build projects, They aren't brought in the hope they have a magic wand tucked in there somewhere.
Barca fans keep bitching on how we shouldn't waste this generation of great players, Well having to cycle through 5 different mangers in 5 seasons, Looks like a fool proof way to do just that.

We had a bit of luck inside the pitch and outside of it (Few injuries) that helped get where we are now, With things a little bit different in this area, The scales could have been tipped to the other side, Even pep had some luck in the season we won the treble.
Even if Enrique had only won one trophy or even none this season, It shouldn't have decided his future with us.
 

raskolnikov

Well-known member
In what logic exactly it was "completely right" ??
Coaches shouldn't get evaluated or face the risk of the axe only six months into their jobs, Not even their first season, This isn't chelsea.
In our club, Managers are brought to build projects, They aren't brought in the hope they have a magic wand tucked in there somewhere.
Barca fans keep bitching on how we shouldn't waste this generation of great players, Well having to cycle through 5 different mangers in 5 seasons, Looks like a fool proof way to do just that.

We had a bit of luck inside the pitch and outside of it (Few injuries) that helped get where we are now, With things a little bit different in this area, The scales could have been tipped to the other side, Even pep had some luck in the season we won the treble.
Even if Enrique had only won one trophy or even none this season, It shouldn't have decided his future with us.
Cause he took rotation to the extreme, made bad decisions constantly, pairing up the wrong players and making strange rotations in difficult games.
We lost points in many games in the first half of the season because of him, the he continued to be stubborn and arrogant about it while we were stuck with his incompetent choices after a dissapointing year with Tata. He looked way out of his league and then the Anoeta game was the final straw with him benching both Messi and Neymar in a place where we had not won in like 4 years. So many stupid choices, especially in rotation, I think most of us were right to be pissed off at his decisions and managing.

That he does a 180 after a clash with the players post anoeta and starts rotating normally was unexpected but led to better results along with MSN firing us past everyone.
 

Stric

New member
I still think we were completely right back then to want him out. Thankfully we were wrong about him being to stubborn to pull a needed 180.

My thoughts exactly.

Apparently, some people think it's arrogant to say that he wasn't doing well up to a certain point, but that we're glad that he turned it around and became successful. I guess that you're not a true fan and are probably a closet madridista if you don't think he was doing everything right from day one.
 

StarLord

New member
What was your old user here again?

I was Schumi. Just check the posts in the Champions League thread circa October/November/December. Or after the CL loss to PSG, or the defeat vs Celta.

This is just one of my posts replying to claims that our team is nothing special at all. Allegedly, other European sides were easily better, and others just about equal. This from December 2014:


It is true that RM gave us a good beating back in October, but we were on a low that day and RM were at their absolute best in that period.

BM are a very balanced side, but whenever I have seen them play this season, I was not impressed too much. In some of their games they have in fact been quite underwhelming. Let us not forget that some of their key players are now ageing.

Chelsea better than FCB? Only an EPL fanboi permanently trapped in early 2008 could conceivably believe such a thing. The hype that Chelsea are getting even on this forum is quite bizarre. They have been quite crap against any good side they have faced, while their victories over mediocre EPL sides have been somewhat on the flattering side. Moreover, their CL group is an insult to CL groups.

AM and PSG about equal to us? We are comfortably superior to both. We have better players than both of them. Atletico are well organized and solid defensively but can't hold a candle to our striking force, while PSG enjoy playing in a non-league and worrying only for the CL. Bayern are also beneficiaries of the same.


The only current side that can rationally be argued to be better than us is Real Madrid. The results are there to back the argument up, not with any of the other teams you mention. Even with them, things are far more nuanced than people tend to think. Real Madrid have benefited from a shit CL group and having basically the same structure as last season. They have also enjoyed some age-old LFP turbocharging.

Give it some more time people. Tonight will be a good indicator of where we stand.


and:

Subsequently, another member of this lovely forum, thought I was trolling, and this was my reply:


Take my arguments one by one and put them to some fact-checking. Are they legit yes or no?

The only controversial bit about what I am saying is the Bayern bit, but tell me really, what great team have Bayern beaten recently and how?

As for the inane Chelsea hype found everywhere. I invite you to take all of Chelsea's results of this season and cross the Chelsea name out and replace it with Barcelona's. Would you be too impressed by those results and scorelines? How would this (or any other) forum react to a Newcastle 2-1 over Barca? What would you say to a Barca - Schalke 1-1? Or a Maribor - Barca 1-1?

Or are you willing to argue that the German league is any way, shape or form competitive?


There are dozens of my posts in this vain, while almost everyone else was having a meltdown.
 

FC B

Senior Member
So anything less than an outright Treble is a relative failure for you?

Not at all. As I said before, so far so good one major competition won, still, two matches for two trophies lay ahead and that's what matters the most atm.
 

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