Luis Enrique

[FCBarca]

Pep left in 2012. It's 4 years down the road now. If not for Lucho, Bob could be gone. So yes, Enrique deserve credit. It's really impressive how you dismiss anyone else's work, if his name is not pep guardiola. It wasn't pep who transformed Bob into a right back. pep praises many players too. the lastest is kolarov.

If not for Tito or Tata, would've evolved quicker? Cite where I dismissed Lucho's work wrt Roberto

 

[Flavia]

If not for Tito or Tata, would've evolved quicker? Cite where I dismissed Lucho's work wrt Roberto

When you say Pep was the mastermind of discovering Roberto. Somehow Pep is always on top, even when he's not even here anymore, and has nothing to do with Bob becoming a rb.

 

[FCBarca]

When you say Pep was the mastermind of discovering Roberto. Somehow Pep is always on top, even when he's not even here anymore, and has nothing to do with Bob becoming a rb.

Why insist on taking away credit when I have clearly given both Lucho & Pep credit for Roberto and pretending I'm not - you're so wound up you can't even understand how illogical you're being

 

[Flavia]

Why insist on taking away credit when I have clearly given both Lucho & Pep credit for Roberto and pretending I'm not - you're so wound up you can't even understand how illogical you're being

I'm not the one being illogical here. Pep has absolutely nothing to do with Roberto's resurgence under Lucho. Pretending he does it's what makes no sense at all.

 

[opjeoff]

Pep also praised and praised bojan and look where he ended up. bojan who was one of our brightest prospects was mishandled by pep and then he was sold by pep to roma.
He also promoted jeffren then played him 2 times the whole season in the league (way less than munir) , when we had already won the league. he went on to play 22 league matches for us in 3 years under Pep until he was sold too. pep didnt play him in order to see if he sunk or floated, he played him when it didnt matter. even the el clasico he played, he came on in the 87th minute when we were 4-0 up.
For all the good Pep did for our youth setup and youth players, he also sometimes prioritized winning rather than youth development. Pep brought players such as 21yo pique , 22 yo sanchez , 23yo alba, 21 yo caceres , 20yo kerrison , 21 yo chygrynskiy , and other players while players such as nolito, romeu , giovanni were all dismissed by pep as he decided they werent good enough. this is no different to what Lucho is doing now.

 

[Aryagorn]

Pep also praised and praised bojan and look where he ended up. bojan who was one of our brightest prospects was mishandled by pep and then he was sold by pep to roma.
He also promoted jeffren then played him 2 times the whole season in the league (way less than munir) , when we had already won the league. he went on to play 22 league matches for us in 3 years under Pep until he was sold too. pep didnt play him in order to see if he sunk or floated, he played him when it didnt matter. even the el clasico he played, he came on in the 87th minute when we were 4-0 up.
For all the good Pep did for our youth setup and youth players, he also sometimes prioritized winning rather than youth development. Pep brought players such as 21yo pique , 22 yo sanchez , 23yo alba, 21 yo caceres , 20yo kerrison , 21 yo chygrynskiy , and other players while players such as nolito, romeu , giovanni were all dismissed by pep as he decided they werent good enough. this is no different to what Lucho is doing now.

But isn't Pep the saint that Lucho is exactly the opposite of!?

 

[FCBarca]

Pep also praised and praised bojan and look where he ended up. bojan who was one of our brightest prospects was mishandled by pep and then he was sold by pep to roma.
He also promoted jeffren then played him 2 times the whole season in the league (way less than munir) , when we had already won the league. he went on to play 22 league matches for us in 3 years under Pep until he was sold too. pep didnt play him in order to see if he sunk or floated, he played him when it didnt matter. even the el clasico he played, he came on in the 87th minute when we were 4-0 up.
For all the good Pep did for our youth setup and youth players, he also sometimes prioritized winning rather than youth development. Pep brought players such as 21yo pique , 22 yo sanchez , 23yo alba, 21 yo caceres , 20yo kerrison , 21 yo chygrynskiy , and other players while players such as nolito, romeu , giovanni were all dismissed by pep as he decided they werent good enough. this is no different to what Lucho is doing now.

Revisionism.

The kid was promoted too early and if anything was the reason why a more cautious approach was taken with promoting youth players too quickly. Forgotten is that the coach tried to get him to play for the B team, which he refused. Krkic's situation was a result of his refusal to handle things maturely

You should get your facts straight, trying to lump Pep's track record with youth players (22 debuted under him in his 4 seasons) to Lucho - we are at the lowest youth integration since before Pep's arrival.

Regression

 

[opjeoff]

Revisionism.

The kid was promoted too early and if anything was the reason why a more cautious approach was taken with promoting youth players too quickly. Forgotten is that the coach tried to get him to play for the B team, which he refused. Krkic's situation was a result of his refusal to handle things maturely

You should get your facts straight, trying to lump Pep's track record with youth players (22 debuted under him in his 4 seasons) to Lucho - we are at the lowest youth integration since before Pep's arrival.

Regression

If you're saying Bojan was promoted too early, isn't that Pep's fault? and if what you've said is true and that incident is the reason why a more cautious approach has been taken, doesn't that explain why 'we are at the lowest youth integration since before Pep's arrival' as we are cautious not to promote players too quickly? Also of the 22 players that debuted under him, how many made the starting 11? The number of players he debuted is insignificant if he only integrated 2 players into the starting 11 during his 4 season here. Lucho has already integrated Bob into his starting 11 in his 2 seasons here. It just means that either the players weren't good enough (which I've said is also the case recently) , or he didn't have the faith in them to play them regularly enough for them to make it into the starting 11.

 

[FCBarca]

If you're saying Bojan was promoted too early, isn't that Pep's fault? and if what you've said is true and that incident is the reason why a more cautious approach has been taken, doesn't that explain why 'we are at the lowest youth integration since before Pep's arrival' as we are cautious not to promote players too quickly? Also of the 22 players that debuted under him, how many made the starting 11? The number of players he debuted is insignificant if he only integrated 2 players into the starting 11 during his 4 season here. Lucho has already integrated Bob into his starting 11 in his 2 seasons here. It just means that either the players weren't good enough (which I've said is also the case recently) , or he didn't have the faith in them to play them regularly enough for them to make it into the starting 11.

It would be if Pep promoted Bojan but you'd know that if you knew just a little about Pep, the club, Bojan, etc.

 

[KingMessi]

I thought Rijkaard promoted Bojan? Bojan was all set to go to the Euros in 08 too.

 

[JamDav1982]

Revisionism.

The kid was promoted too early and if anything was the reason why a more cautious approach was taken with promoting youth players too quickly. Forgotten is that the coach tried to get him to play for the B team, which he refused. Krkic's situation was a result of his refusal to handle things maturely

You should get your facts straight, trying to lump Pep's track record with youth players (22 debuted under him in his 4 seasons) to Lucho - we are at the lowest youth integration since before Pep's arrival.

Regression

What youth players did Pep 'intergrate'? Busi and Pedro who you dont count as La Masia?

Pep came at a different time when there was a group of La Masia players hitting their peak years. Nothing at all like Lucho is facing and he has given chances to the ones he thinks merits it.

There is no 'regression' other than that one off generation of players had passed.

Pep debuted 22 players...can you tell us how many debuted in the 4 years since he left for reference?

 

[JamDav1982]

I thought Rijkaard promoted Bojan? Bojan was all set to go to the Euros in 08 too.

He did.

 

[jamrock]

Of course you give pep some credit for Bob, he promoted him and showed real faith in him, by giving him minutes while he was still with the b team.

Was it the one million and 1 games, like some unlearnt individuals want to talk about, because they don't understand the policy on the progression of young player that pep implemented after the whole Bojan situation. Would have liked to see,no. Some some people understand the nuances of what pep was doing then, others do a Google search and find some "stats" without knowing the facts.

If you understand youth progress under pep you understand why, but he deserves credit he showed faith in him.

Did he developed him?, hell no because he wasn't here, Dah.

But Luis also deserves credit for keeping faith and turning him into a RB, Roberto is a runner, the type of player, Luis loves, so he kept faith and deserve credit for that, but you can't take away pep from the equation.


Much like if Luis stays and shows faith in Kamptoum and then leaves before he can fully develop him, he would deserve credit for that, that's assuming he doesn't loan him out for another manager to do the heavy lifting. Lol

Rafa,Bob, Thiago got the chance under pep.

 

[JamDav1982]

Of course you give pep some credit for Bob, he promoted him and showed real faith in him, by giving him minutes while he was still with the b team.

Was it the one million and 1 games, like some unlearnt individuals want to talk about, because they don't understand the policy on the progression of young player that pep implemented after the whole Bojan situation. Would have liked to see,no. Some some people understand the nuances of what pep was doing then, others do a Google search and find some "stats" without knowing the facts.

If you understand youth progress under pep you understand why, but he deserves credit he showed faith in him.

Did he developed him?, hell no because he wasn't here, Dah.

But Luis also deserves credit for keeping faith and turning him into a RB, Roberto is a runner, the type of player, Luis loves, so he kept faith and deserve credit for that, but you can't take away pep from the equation.


Much like if Luis stays and shows faith in Kamptoum and then leaves before he can fully develop him, he would deserve credit for that, that's assuming he doesn't loan him out for another manager to do the heavy lifting. Lol

Rafa,Bob, Thiago got the chance under pep.

Pep never promoted Bob and barely gave him more minutes than Samper has and far far less than Munir has.

If Alena or Samper go on to great things under another manager and all Lucho has done has debuted them and gave them some minutes will he get credit?

Kamptoum has played. That is a chance according to you.

 

[jamrock]

As I said, some people understand the nuances of what pep was doing back then, others can do a google search and point to "stats".

As it relates to luis, as I said If he shows real faith in Alen and kamptoum, by giving them real minutes in real games, they don't have to start 1,000,001 games, then he would have deserves credit for giving them there start, for showing faith in them, even if it's another manager that fully promotes them and develops there talent.

It's not rocket science.