Luis Enrique
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Raketa10
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Honestly if this guy had any decency left in him he would resign yesterday immediately after the game. I just wonder who will he coach after Barca and how succesful will he be there without Messi? Our season basically ended on 14th of February. I am honestly disgusted with that and with the fact we will have to endure this shit for 3,5 months more!
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BBZ8800
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What I fear the most is that the board thinks exactly the same as majority of this forum, like: the team is good, we just need a new coach.
And instead of a bigger overhaul right away, we'll sell only 3-4 players whom we really don't need like: Arda, Mathieu and guys who are on loans.
We'll buy a new RB and hope that a new team will magically work again.
I mean, the board signed extensions with MSN for 5+ years, right?
To some extent (some will say that I am a Barca hater now), I would like a new interim coach right away (Gerard, Unzue, whoever).
We won't have Lucho anymore and players won't have the excuse: it's all about Lucho.
I think that we are pushing our heads into a sand and blaming Lucho for everything and not blaming players enough.
So, I would like Gerard or Unzue right away and to see whether our team will at least slightly improve (we don't need trophies, I want to see a desire, better attacking play, movement, link up, some logic in our play etc)
If a team will be equally as poor under Gerard (for example) in these 3 Months, then it could indicate that our players also have either mental issues or a lack of quality.
Or both.
So, I want to see changes as fast as possible and let's detect some problems and not pretend that everything is perfect.
1. if we'll get an interim coach and our play will improve=awesome, then it was mostly about Lucho
2. if we'll get an interim coach and our play will be the same or even worse=well, then we'll need a better coach in the summer, but also, at least 7-8 players will need to look for a new job. In some other club/city...
(I know that a coach can't do too much in 3 Months, but you get a point. Things CAN'T stay the same under an interim coach. IOf so, then we have way deeper problems than only Lucho.)
3. if we'll keep Lucho till the end of a season=we won't find out anything. If a team will play better, we will say: that is because of players, they decided to give all they can. If we'll play like a crap, we'll say: it is all because of Lucho.
A lose-lose situation to some extent. We can't find out anything that way.
So, let's get a new interim coach, let's try to shake some things, but also, let's expose some players under a new coach.
I am tired of: Lucho is guilty for everything. A player can't run, cover his area, play a simple pass, score a simple tap in=because of Lucho.
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FlaFCB
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And his arrogance is the reason he'll never resign. He'll leave playing the victim card, as he did last night in that interview.
Raketa10
Senior Member
What I fear the most is that the board thinks exactly the same as majority of this forum, like: the team is good, we just need a new coach.
And instead of a bigger overhaul right away, we'll sell only 3-4 players whom we really don't need like: Arda, Mathieu and guys who are on loans.
We'll buy a new RB and hope that a new team will magically work again.
I mean, the board signed extensions with MSN for 5+ years, right?
To some extent (some will say that I am a Barca hater now), I would like a new interim coach right away (Gerard, Unzue, whoever).
We won't have Lucho anymore and players won't have the excuse: it's all about Lucho.
I think that we are pushing our heads into a sand and blaming Lucho for everything and not blaming players enough.
So, I would like Gerard or Unzue right away and to see whether our team will at least slightly improve (we don't need trophies, I want to see a desire, better attacking play, movement, link up, some logic in our play etc)
If a team will be equally as poor under Gerard (for example) in these 3 Months, then it could indicate that our players also have either mental issues or a lack of quality.
Or both.
So, I want to see changes as fast as possible and let's detect some problems and not pretend that everything is perfect.
1. if we'll get an interim coach and our play will improve=awesome, then it was mostly about Lucho
2. if we'll get an interim coach and our play will be the same or even worse=well, then we'll need a better coach in the summer, but also, at least 7-8 players will need to look for a new job. In some other club/city...
3. if we'll keep Lucho till the end of a season=we won't find anything. If a team will play better, we will say: that is because of players. If we'll play like a crap, we'll say: it is all because of Lucho.
We won't find anything under him and we surely won't progress anymore.
So, let's get a new interim coach, let's try to shake some things, but also, let's expose some players under a new coach.
I am tired of: Lucho is guilty for everything. A player can't run, cover his area, play a simple pass, score a simple tap in=because of Lucho. Yeah, right
I agree with you, we should get a new interim coach right away but our board won't do that for sure because they are idiots. Also bare in mind that no one can repair things in such short period of time. Even if we get Sampaoli in the summer he will need some time, even if we buy new players we will need some time to get things working again.
Lucho is done apparently. but if you look at the options we have, they arent any better than Lucho when he first arrived here. Plenty of fans had terrible things to say about Tata and glowing things to say about Lucho when he was first linked with the job. Are we going to treat all our managers who arent Pep like shit from now on?
I disagree, the fact that he isnt running away and leaving the team stranded in a huge sign of decency. This is still his mess and job, resigning isnt the answer. If the club decides they have a replacement and fire him then thats fine. He's been shit for a while, but give him some respect, he did win us a treble. And dont say the team did and he had nothing to do with it because now the team is playing bad we are only blaming him. Its either he is responsible for the team and he was involved in the treble or he isnt and isnt to blame for our poor form.
I disagree, the fact that he isnt running away and leaving the team stranded in a huge sign of decency. This is still his mess and job, resigning isnt the answer. If the club decides they have a replacement and fire him then thats fine. He's been shit for a while, but give him some respect, he did win us a treble. And dont say the team did and he had nothing to do with it because now the team is playing bad we are only blaming him. Its either he is responsible for the team and he was involved in the treble or he isnt and isnt to blame for our poor form.
God Serena
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Refer to my post a few pages back.
The situation with Lucho has become untenable. We will never improve under him, a change is desperately needed, even someone as questionable as Tata would be better for us right now than Lucho.
God Serena
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We had pretty consistently bad performances even during Lucho's treble season. The only difference between our play then and our play now is MSN has been run to the ground due to being overplayed constantly and aren't able to save his ass every time the team falls flat.
There's a reason people argued that Pep's Barca was the best team in the world, while the only thing anyone talked about when Lucho won the treble was fucking MSN...
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FlaFCB
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He didn't win us anything. Every day it gets clearer that treble was more on the players. Messi moving to rw because he wanted, Xavi organizing our midfield. Licho just went along with it. After Xavi left, he began implementing his visions, and this is the result.
I remember a few saying the same under Tata, how it could only get worse and we needed a change. We had a change and it was brillaint, for about 1 season. The same issues we had under Tata are starting to resurface. We can sack Lucho because he's a big part of the problem but the issue still seems to be there, no matter who the coach is. Our core players are starting to age, and no matter how many times we change the managers, that isnt going to be changed.
This is exactly what I mean. This is like when people say that Pep is also a shit manager because he had the best players and didnt contribute. You cant give all the credit to the players when they win and all the blame to the manager when they lose. No matter what you think about our team now, Lucho did have a part to play in our treble win. You dont beat City, Bayern , Atletico and Juve without any tactics. He deserves the credit for the treble but he also deserves the blame for our form.
Gaudi
Senior Member
http://telesport.telegram.hr/analize/propast-jedne-vizije/
Croatian analysis for croats here, maybe google translator could do for others?
Croatian analysis for croats here, maybe google translator could do for others?
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FlaFCB
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There were tactics in 2015, but they weren't licho's tactics. That's what I mean. His tactics are what we are seeing now. And we also saw that no midfield bs in the first half of the 14/15 season. It was after that crisis that things changed. Xavi said in a interview our style wasn't negotiable, and suddenly the midfield was compact again, not wide.
Never seen anyone calling Pep shit for Barça. His Barça had a clear way of playing, whoever was on the pitch.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
I know.
The thing about how a new coach can't do too much too soon will sadly again mask deficiencies of some players and give them alibies for at least next 15 Months.
For example, a lot of people hate Andre Gomes here.
Let's look at his case:
1. maybe he played bad because of Lucho. The board and coaches will give him a new chance, that's how it works.
2. if we'll get a new interim coach, 3 Months is not enough, we need to give him more chances to see how good he is.
3. when we'll get a new coach in a summer, he will again need at least 6-12 Month to adapt to his style
So, he will get estimated earliest in a summer of 2018'.
Denis Suarez? The same
1. maybe he was bad because of Lucho, we need to give him more time
2. if we'll have new interim coach for 3 Months, that's not enough, we need to give him more time
3. he will get estimated in a summer of 2018'
The same is with majority of players.
I don't like Neymar, but the same story is with every player:
1. maybe Neymar was poor because of Lucho. We need to try again and see whether he can be a new leader.
2. 3 Months under a new interim coach is not enough, he needs more chances under a new coach
3. a new coach: well, he will need at least 1 full season to understand new system etc. If he will play even slighty better in that season, for each player it will be: hmm, we need to give him more chances, so players will easily get a chance until 2019...
Basically, I am afraid that we will only get 100s of alibies whatever we will do.
If Lucho stays: he is guilty for everything
If we get a new interim coach: players didn't have enough time to improve and learn new things
New coach in the summer: we will need at least 1 full season before new estimations
So, I am afraid that we will have EXACTLY the same mess as currently even in 2017/18.
Why?
MSN: they need to stay. We need to see whether a new coach can shake things. Plus, who would sell MSN in this moment?
Iniesta: you can't sell Iniesta
Busi: the same. You can't touch Busi.
Raki: he was good in 2015. We need to see whether a new coach can make him good again. So, he stays until 2018 at least
Denis: he needs more chances. We need to see whether a new coach can improve him. He stays until 2018' at least
Gomes: he needs more chances. We need to see how he will play under a new coach. He stays until 2018' at least
Rafinha: the same, or he could be gone somehow, as one of a few guys who are transferable.
Digne/Alba/defense: they will all stay
So, I am afraid that ALL players will get a chance until 2018.
We will sell only Arda, Mathieu, Vermaelen, guys on loans and maybe Paco or Rafinha.
We will buy a random 40M RB (Cancelo probably) and maybe buy some new random 4th Cf.
A new coach will come in the summer, and if the rooster will be the same, we will face 2 problems:
1. if the players are really a problem, we will be stuck with a good coach and bad players until summer of 2018, that is 16 months of this misery
Then a coach will shake some things with transfers in a summer of 2018 and we will see some improvements in a 2018/19 slowly.
2. on the other hand, since a new coach will need time to impose a new system, we still won't have the answers: (is Denis good? Is Gomes good? Is Neymar really our fit?) until at least summer of 2018, because again a season 2017/18 will be a season of learning and adapting to a new coach.
So, if we will be crap in a 2017/18 autumn and winter, we still won't be able to tell: are we crap because a new coach needs time to adopt his system?
Or are we crap because our players are dead, finished and not good enough anymore?
So, zero answers until a summer of 2018 probably.
I don't have too much faith in Barto and his directors.
Laporta brought Pep.
Laporta and his coaches "created" Messi and Iniesta.
Xavi and Puyol were "created" under Gaspart.
Pep (Laporta's guy) discovered Pedro, Busi, Pique.
Basically, Barto/Rossell didn't create a single La Masia gem.
All they achieved was winning trophies because of what Rijkaard/Pep/Messi (xavi+Iniesta) did/started before and during their era.
They jumped on a winning wave and took all the glory.
Barto's moves where:
1. Tito, Tata, Lucho as a coach
2. spending 250M on Neymar
3. creating Hollywoodish attacking MSN trio which is a burden for a team
4. turning a team into Galacticos
A crap after crap, in my eyes.
All in all, I don't see how stupid Barto will make some changes.
He won't sack Lucho now.
He won't make an overhaul in the summer.
Plus, who would make an overhaul? A sporting director Robert, since he is the owner of a worst transfer era in Barca's history (equally as bad as Gaspart when he sold Figo and bought 100 horrible players for that money).
DonAk will call me a hater again, but I see our short term future as:
1. let's hope that things will magically get better with a new coach. That is our only slim hope. But I don't see it happening.
2. or, if not (very likely, imo), our only chance is to play again worse and worse each new week in a season 2017/18 and to reach new bottoms and then:
a) either Barto will get sacked somehow and we'll start a new, fresh era with someone who knows more than him
b) or he will finally make a huge overhaul to save his presidental ass
I am afraid that we will have a huge STATUS QUO until summer of 2018 with this board.
We will get a new coach, but not too much will change.
So, if some of you thought that we have reached a bottom yesterday, I am afraid that this agony may continue at least for another 16 Months until a summer of 2018 when we'll have an overhaul in our rooster finally.
Till then it will be: all players need one more chance under a new coach to see whether he can shake things.
** I have wrote a lot of times in the past:
1. when Rijkaard came in 2003, he made a huge overhaul.
It was a good move, we started to win in the 2nd season, and won La ligas in 2nd and 3rd season and a CL in the 3rd season
His team started to die in his 4th and 5th season.
2. then Pep came and sold majority of Rijkaard's players.
It was a good move again.
Pep's team started to die in his 4th season.
Since then we didn't make a huge overhaul. This is basically still Pep's team to some extent.
Each new cycle needed fresh players, tons of fresh, new players.
But Barto will reinvent the wheel, and he will start a new cycle with exactly the same rooster (old players)
This is so sad
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