Luis Enrique

FC B

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...who we didn't need because we had Alexis and other forwards to begin with. Suarez was a political/marketing signing, not a necessity. I'm sure he'll do great and we'll benefit much from having him, but let's not pretend we really needed to buy him. We did it to compete with other clubs' big signings.

Oh I asure you Suarez was dearly needed since Alexis not only wasn't a natural goal scorer but also missed chances like very few footballers of his stature I ever seen and guess what, especially in the crucial games or very important CL matches with very few exceptions to mention...
We needed a #9 and we got the best one on the planet. I hate this wretched board but i'm not going to complain.

Ofc
Suarez a is much better than him and adds a new dimension to our offense. The only problem is where will he play. The problem with Barça is not having a good system offensively in recent years. The 4-3-3 is not only predictable but means someone will be out of position. I've been wanting a 4231 or 442 diamond for a while now.
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Ursegor

World Champion
Barcelona's 35 shots on target this season per game: 6 - 8 - 8 - 5 - 8 - 0 (Credit to @BarcaStat/KhaledBarca on this forum)

Keep in mind two of those games were against Villarreal and Athletic Bilbao. Certainly not pushovers, but as always, one really bad game from all the players and suddenly Messi is back to shit, doubts on Luis Enrique's ability and we're playing like Chelsea.

This result doesn't bother me. Here is what I'm skeptical about. The goals against Athletic Bilbao at home came in the 79th and 84th minute. Villarreal 82nd. Struggled against APOEL apart from a set piece goal. As far as I'm concerned Barca were looking ponderous against Levante, too. Until the red card killed the game. This Malaga game was particularly bad but there is clearly a systematic problem when it comes to chance creation, especially when Messi doesn't do it. Forget assists. Rakitic and Iniesta don't even register a single pre-assist so far. And here is why:

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Both midfielders are split apart from each other and playing rigidly balls into wide areas, mostly to the fullbacks. They barely interchange with each other, neither with passes nor positionally and are generally too deep to interchange with Messi as well. Here are the top 3 combinations vs. Malaga:

Alba to Iniesta: 23
Douglas to Rakitic: 22
Rakitic to Douglas: 20

The defensive numbers are no surprise. All 3 midfielders and the centerbacks are behind the ball when Barca is countered. With 5 players behind the ball and Alba sprinting back like a maniac and the forwards comitting tactical fouls it's very hard to break through Barca. When the central midfielders don't attempt to go through the middle and play it wide like shown above they are also far less likely to lose the ball in the middle of the park for quick counters. But it's also the reason why there is no offensive fluidity and only one moment of Messi genius is winning games so far.

Now. When Suarez gets back. When the teams gets in better physical shape. When the team understands the tactics better. When Barca plays on a better turf. Then Barca will certainly play much better than what we saw yesterday. I'm still not convinced turning Iniesta into Alba's personal defensive bodyguard and sticking him rigidly into LM so Alba can bomb forward and put in crosses into the box is the way Barca should be playing or whether this will be able to break deep defenses, even with Suarez. The way Lucho sets up the entire creative burden is on Messi now.

It's funny because this is actually a lot more "anti Barca" than Tata's Barca yet the Catalan press is quiet because they love the former Barca captain. Or they are simply stupid and can't see beyond "but less than 50 % possession" numbers. Barca since Cruyff has always been about positional freedom to the central midfielders and creating triangular shapes through the middle. This Barca has its forwards more central but now the central midfielders are hugging the touchline in return.

Let's see how Lucho will proceed from here but color me skeptical.
 
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Frodo_FCB

New member
Watching these first games in the season, i can understand why Lucho wanted so much Cuadrado...
Our full backs are actually playing like forward wingers close to the line and their job is to open the pitch. They are the 2 players out of 11 who are given the most space, the problem though is that none from our FB can dribble effectively. Alba is too fast and can make some overlaps, so he can contribute offensively, but Alves has lost his pace and he just make some useless crosses. Imagine only if we had a player like Couadrado instead of Alves. The former is one of the best dribblers who can go past defenders, can open the defence and he is a real workhorse.
 

Stric

New member
Suarez a is much better than him and adds a new dimension to our offense. The only problem is where will he play. The problem with Barça is not having a good system offensively in recent years. The 4-3-3 is not only predictable but means someone will be out of position. I've been wanting a 4231 or 442 diamond for a while now.

I agree that Suarez is much better than Alexis and that he could be great for us. I'm not even saying any of the previous to defend Alexis being here. I wanted him out more than anyone. But that still doesn't mean we factually needed to buy Suarez. And I also agree we have nowhere to put him in the current system.
 

Ghostmaster

Danger Ahead
Alba to Iniesta: 23
Douglas to Rakitic: 22
Rakitic to Douglas: 20

It was Malaga's strategy yesterday, they their all over Iniesta and Rakitic and left tons of space on the wings so they had no choice but to pass to fullbacks, but neither Alba nor Douglas could do anything with that space, Alves probably would have made a huge difference.
 
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Flavia

Guest
This result doesn't bother me. Here is what I'm skeptical about. The goals against Athletic Bilbao at home came in the 79th and 84th minute. Villarreal 82nd. Struggled against APOEL apart from a set piece goal. As far as I'm concerned Barca were looking ponderous against Levante, too. Until the red card killed the game. This Malaga game was particularly bad but there is clearly a systematic problem when it comes to chance creation, especially when Messi doesn't do it. Forget assists. Rakitic and Iniesta don't even register a single pre-assist so far. And here is why:

kOeR7bA.jpg


i8Rq0gB.jpg


Both midfielders are split apart from each other and playing rigidly balls into wide areas, mostly to the fullbacks. They barely interchange with each other, neither with passes nor positionally and are generally too deep to interchange with Messi as well. Here are the top 3 combinations vs. Malaga:

Alba to Iniesta: 23
Douglas to Rakitic: 22
Rakitic to Douglas: 20

The defensive numbers are no surprise. All 3 midfielders and the centerbacks are behind the ball when Barca is countered. With 5 players behind the ball and Alba sprinting back like a maniac and the forwards comitting tactical fouls it's very hard to break through Barca. When the central midfielders don't attempt to go through the middle and play it wide like shown above they are also far less likely to lose the ball in the middle of the park for quick counters. But it's also the reason why there is no offensive fluidity and only one moment of Messi genius is winning games so far.

Now. When Suarez gets back. When the teams gets in better physical shape. When the team understands the tactics better. When Barca plays on a better turf. Then Barca will certainly play much better than what we saw yesterday. I'm still not convinced turning Iniesta into Alba's personal defensive bodyguard and sticking him rigidly into LM so Alba can bomb forward and put in crosses into the box is the way Barca should be playing or whether this will be able to break deep defenses, even with Suarez. The way Lucho sets up the entire creative burden is on Messi now.

It's funny because this is actually a lot more "anti Barca" than Tata's Barca yet the Catalan press is quiet because they love the former Barca captain. Or they are simply stupid and can't see beyond "but less than 50 % possession" numbers. Barca since Cruyff has always been about positional freedom to the central midfielders and creating triangular shapes through the middle. This Barca has its forwards more central but now the central midfielders are hugging the touchline in return.

Let's see how Lucho will proceed from here but color me skeptical.

What would you do, if you were the coach? Make the fb's defend more, and the mdf's back to being central?
Maybe a 4-4-2 diamond as Hamzah suggested is the way to go. or 3-4-3.

And a good analysis from total barca.
 

messi2140

6racies Xavi
He can try to put the mdf's more central and give the position where messi plays to Rakitic and messi instead of Pedro , unless messi improves his off the ball movement.


Busquets
Xavi iniesta
Rakitic
Messi Neymar
 
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Flavia

Guest
Another great analysis.

The heat map shows a voide in front of the goal. as Lucho and his team are crazy about these things, I hope he's working on this.
 

Irish_Cules

New member
It is really obvious why he wanted Cuadrado now. He'd have been suspect defensively but considering the emphasis put on attacking full backs in this system he might have actually been a good acquisition, although somebody who actually plays full back would have still been preferable, like Aurier.

I'm still confident about this system though. It's only early days and we'll see some players getting a consistent run of form going. Maybe this system isn't tailored to bring out the best of the centre mids but I think Iniesta is just in bad form anyway, regardless of the system. He'll surely improve as the season goes on. We still have Suarez to come as well. If this system is to suit any player then it is him. His presence could transform the whole team.
 

Irish_Cules

New member
What would you do, if you were the coach? Make the fb's defend more, and the mdf's back to being central?
Maybe a 4-4-2 diamond as Hamzah suggested is the way to go. or 3-4-3.

And a good analysis from total barca.


I think Lucho's system resembles a 4-4-2 diamond quite closely at times. Every time Messi drops deep it is essentially that considering how narrow the other two forwards are.
 

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