Kul_z
Senior Member
Do you mean: Messi plus 2 true Cfs like Suarez and Cavani?
Then we would lack width and wingers because all 3 would play through the middle.
It could probably work in La liga where we are way stronger than 90% of opponents.
In a CL, it would be the same good, old story with playing through the middle, being easily neutralized and exits in 1/4s.
At the end of the day, it seems that EV is not an idiot.
If you play Messi without Suarez, Messi will drop deep to a Cm and Cdm and he will be both a creator and finisher.
And since he is older, more tired and slower, he won't be able to both create and score.
He will have 3-4 good actions per match. During other 86 minutes, we will just pass the ball around without any ideas.
If you play Messi and 2 wingers, Dembele will hog a touchline and be somewhat out of a play for majority of a match and Coutinho is not a true Cf or a Lw.
So, against parked buses, we will have Messi at a CM, Dembele lost far away from a goal and Coutinho around the box.
In La Liga it might work to some extent, in a CL we will be dead again against any team who will mark Messi with 2-3 players.
So, basically, it seems that with a current Messi who doesn't have a strict position, we NEED to have a true CF in a box.
And then, we can only play 442 with Messi Cam and Suarez Cf and 1 winger in a 4men midfield (Cou or Dembele), like we played this season.
Or we can play some broken 433 with Messi Cam, Suarez Cf and Coutinho/Dembele further up the pitch.
So, as long as Messi doesn't have a position, we will need a true CF in the box and then you can't play a classic 433.
Imo, EV made some mistakes, but he is certainly not an idiot.
** For example, I would like us to play WITHOUT Suarez (and without Paco) in a few preseason friendlies so that people could see how a 3 man attack with Messi-Cou-Dembele and with Messi dropping to Cdm-Cm all the time would work (against some stronger opponent).
Imo, we would just pass the ball from left to right, without any purpose and ideas in attack, against a parked bus with only Cou around the box, Messi dropping deep, Dembele lost around a touchline.
You can't cross, since there is no one in the box.
You can't play through balls, since the opponent has parked a bus.
You can't play counters since the opponent has parked a bus.
You can't play long balls.
All you can do is play shortpasses for Messi, and we have seen enough of times in a CL and with Argentina how that will end, if passing to a false Cdm-Cm Messi in every single action without any plan B is the only attacking idea of our team.
Two cfs with messi would definetly work. Why? Because the amount of pressure two cf's would bring will be unbearable, messi not one of them, reposition would be quick and full backs would be wings, and we could play on crosses and with messi staying outside the box, thats a hell of a plan b. Want to close down messi? Yes, but suarez and cavani are inside waiting for the cross. Plan b, give ball to messi outside of the box and thats clearly a goal. And yes, fuck off.