Luis Suárez
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Never_Forget40
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Arizona Scott
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Well the "outcome (that) is literally the same every time" lead to 56 goals in 2 years (top 10 in major europe footy) and the #2 overall player rating in La Liga. So you an go with your observation, I'll go with mine, and I'll also supplement my observation with the best data we got and opinions from international experts without Barca tunnel vision/slant. There are a couple criminally overrated players in this forum but far more criminally underrated and Saurez leads this list.
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For those that think there was no one available who could match the 'amazing statistical output' of Suarez.
With the GOAT feeding him easy chances, that's 200 goals a season right there.
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With the GOAT feeding him easy chances, that's 200 goals a season right there.
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FinBarcelonafan
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How many of those were penalties? Pele had quite many penalty goals at least on his YouTube video.
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clemente
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I don't get why you keep ignoring my point that he has the all time greatest playmaker making the ball magically appear at his feet in scoring positions, even though he wastes pretty much all of them, in the end it still adds up to a high number, calling Suarez underrated makes me think you are trolling.
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So basically Suarez scored one less goal in 500 fewer minutes while playing in the best league in the world, not 5th best.
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Never_Forget40
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You cant compare Primera Disivion with Ligue 1, ImO Ligue isnt even Top6 leagues as their defences are just catastrophic.
Arizona Scott
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Well clemente, we are just going around and maybe leave it at that. You complained he wasn't productive the last 2 years and I asked you who scored more. You didn't bother so i did the work for you. Than you and other's decide to pick out a single isolated stats, missed chances. Than I show you composite stats that consider the negative impact of missed chances and other negative things (lost dribbles, missed shots, etc) as well as the many positive things a player does--goals, assists, chances created, dribbles completed and everything else measured. And what does this show the most objective and comprehensive stats you can get, whoscored has Suarez at #2 in La Liga and he is about #5 in sofascore (each use a little different weighting but both unbiased). A little more about the context of these metrics show Messi is #1 by miles and Miles, just as one would expect, and there are lots benched around that #2 to #7 spots--this includes Suarez, Griezmann, Benzema (last year not the year before though), Ben Yedder (ditto), Aspas (ditto)--some guys coming off career years and most everyone think they did well last year.
Trolling my ass, it is pretty clear who trolls are in this thread. Some of the points of view border on deranged and an emotional reaction that has little to do with pitch production or even how important Suarez is facilitating Messi.
I mean I would all in for chucking Suarez if Barca could get Salah or Mbappe (even though he is #3 in missed chances and plays in a league 4 levels down) with some of the funds from his sale. I would say "see you later Luis, thanks for your service" today and every day if this could happen. I'd think about it hard, but in the end surely do it for Kane and Mane, not because they would be a better #9 for Barca next year (could make a case either way) but because of their years left and I think their net impact short term would be close. Lewandowksi is certainly a more efficient scorer (although he is #2 in the world in missed chances if that seems to be the one thing we are trying to avoid), but he is sh*t for defensive contribution (if we don't Suarez doesn't antagonize opponents without the ball enough, or contribute enough defensively, really start watching this guy) and he is sh*t link up play, so that would be a tough one for me. Probably yes I take Lewa but that is far more nuanced than it appears on paper and just looking at goals. Benzema, no, rather have Suarez. Same for Cavani. Same for Jesus. Closer call but probably same for PEA and Aguero.
Both Suarez very good productivity (yes no longer spectacular--I am not saying he is still a world beater anymore nor are ANY of his "defenders" , how so many of these points are being twisted by shoddy/lazy debaters throughout this thread and the whole forum really) and how he fits with Messi and company (his more unique physicality and feistyness among our squad otherwise mild in those areas--seriously how do we look the last many years when have sat him and given someone else a shot at his role). This is even based on last two years performance with some chronic knee and fitness issues that seem on the mend and now where hopefully with Griezmann we can manage him better toward the later part of the season.
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clemente
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Again successfully ignored my point about Messi providing to him, well done, I told you it makes no sense to compare who scored more goals when nobody has service like him, and once again you come to me telling stories about how many goals he has.
Thanks for reminding me 5th time that he is #2 on la liga whoscored, where literally only attackers get points there, only scoring goals matter on whoscored, it's called "whoscored" for a reason, because who scored the most goals gets motm, it's that simple, in reality he shouldn't be even top 50 in la liga.
Are you actually talking about his productivity? He runs as much as Messi, has a first touch worse than mine, passing is laughable, and seems to have a brainfart decision making, on top of that he clearly gives 0 fucks about this club if 300k a week isn't motivating enough to stop overeating, go pick a random match from 2019 and look at him, then come back and tell me that he is even a football player.
Arizona Scott
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Wrong again. Whoscored overall player metric factors in many things offensive and defensive and mistakes (negative events the player contributed to) with positives.
https://www.whoscored.com/Explanations
WhoScored Ratings Explained
WhoScored.com Ratings are considered to be the most accurate, respected and well-known performance indicators in the world of football. Our ratings are currently used among media giants, bookmakers and football clubs.
WhoScored.com Ratings are based on a unique, comprehensive statistical algorithm, calculated live during the game. There are over 200 raw statistics included in the calculation of a player'’s/team’'s rating, weighted according to their influence within the game. Every event of importance is taken into account, with a positive or negative effect on ratings weighted in relation to its area on the pitch and its outcome.
An example: An attempted dribble (event) in the opposition’s final third (area of pitch) that is successful (outcome) will have a positive effect on a player's rating. Ratings that are flashing show that an event influencing said rating has just occurred. Green indicates an increase, while red indicates a decrease in rating.The scoring system for the ratings is out of 10, starting from 6.0, with 10 being the highest score. The ratings are updated live every 30 seconds during the game. Our data providers Opta will update and adjust statistics where necessary 5 minutes after the final whistle. The statistics, and therefore ratings, are also subject to change at anytime after the game, due to any further corrections that need to be made to the statistics.
A green star will be awarded to the man of the match 10 minutes after full time. A few minutes after full time our data provider will undergo a review process to improve the accuracy of the statistics, which may result in some stats being corrected/updated. Ratings are also subject to an increase or decrease based on the number of goals a team has scored or conceded, and whether the team has kept a clean sheet at 90 minutes. Such boosts in rating are affected by an individual's playing position and their time on the pitch and will be calculated at full time.
FYI 2 of the top 10 overal rated players in La Liga were defenders and one a midfielder
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...6546/PlayerStatistics/Spain-La-Liga-2018-2019
FYI if you look at the EPL 4 of the top 10 performers are defenders .
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...erStatistics/England-Premier-League-2018-2019
And if you don't like this one, try sofascore, or squawka or another. Relatively similar story--Messi out of this world #1 and Suarez in a bunch in the next year in La Liga.
Seriously you out to quit this debate.
I will address the Messi issue. If it is so easy to score with Messi one would think Aguero, Higuan, Dybala, Alexis, and others like Paco would shine more with him than away from him. In fact they haven't and don't in the vast majority of cases (OK Neymar, like Suarez, seems to be productive with or w/o him). Maybe it is really really hard to play with Messi--takes a special player, not to mentioned Messi rightly gets the penalties and free kicks that the other top strikers get to pad their goal totals with.
Further, Suarez has kicked ass wherever he has been for a decade, including the last 13 months in two the fiercest international tournaments. 4 goals in 9 matches (WC and Copa) + 2 assists. Been one of the top 5 strikers among national team members be it last 8 years, 5 years or the last year. Is he the best, no, are their more than a handful better, a very hard case to make.
A commoner who says Suarez has a worse first touch that him is not worthy to argue with due to the absence of reason
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