Luka Jović

[El Guaje]

Good news we seem to still be in the race. Shouldnt cost more than 60-70m tho. Maybe we can include Todibo with buy-back to lower the price? Or give them Cucurella?

 

[jairzinho]

Jovic should be got at all costs, especially for the long term.

Messi will be 33 at the end of next season. Greizmann will be 29. Let's assume Messi stays till 35, which is very likely.

By that time Greizmann would already be 31. We could end up having to replace both in a short space time.

 

[BarçaBarça]

Jovic should be got at all costs, especially for the long term.

Messi will be 33 at the end of next season. Greizmann will be 29. Let's assume Messi stays till 35, which is very likely.

By that time Greizmann would already be 31. We could end up having to replace both in a short space time.

You can say that about Mbappe, not Jovic. Griezmann will be a great signing, if we pull it off.
I would be happy with him + maybe Maxi (for half of what we get from Malcom).

 

[Raketa10]

Jovic should be got at all costs, especially for the long term.

Messi will be 33 at the end of next season. Greizmann will be 29. Let's assume Messi stays till 35, which is very likely.

By that time Greizmann would already be 31. We could end up having to replace both in a short space time.

Jovic at all cost? Dude what have you been smoking?

You can say that about Mbappe, not Jovic. Griezmann will be a great signing, if we pull it off.
I would be happy with him + maybe Maxi (for half of what we get from Malcom).

To be fair Griezmann + Maxi would be great.

 

[jairzinho]

Good luck getting a guy like Mbappe from Nasser. A young CF like Jovic is a prized commodity nowadays.

That's why i think we should get him. Not go crazy and spend 100 plus million. But push hard to get him.

What makes you feel Greizmann wouldn't be another Coutinho?

And how much are we spending on this guy who will be 30 in his 2nd season. What kind of planning is that?

 

[Raketa10]

Good luck getting a guy like Mbappe from Nasser. A young CF like Jovic is a prized commodity nowadays.

That's why i think we should get him. Not go crazy and spend 100 plus million. But push hard to get him.

What makes you feel Greizmann wouldn't be another Coutinho?

And how much are we spending on this guy who will be 30 in his 2nd season. What kind of planning is that?

30 is not the end of a player. He can easily play for 4 or 5 years on a top level. Modric won Ballon d'Or when he was 33 and he is a midfielder. Problem with Suarez is not his age but his weight and lack of desire to run and stay fit. If you take care of your body like Messi and Ronaldo are doing than you can easily prolong your career.

Also you can't sign only young players you need to have a balance if you want to compete on a top level. IMHO we invested a lot in young guys during last couple of years (Dembele, Semedo, Umtiti, Lenglet, De Jong, De Ligt (probably), Arthur, Malcom...) so I really don't agree that a 28y old WC player is too old for us.

 

[jairzinho]

I hear what you're saying 30 isn't the end of the world but let's be real about something.

Messi isn't going anwhere anytime soon. So is it smart to have multiple 30 plus year old players up front?

IMO we should be looking to surround Messi with younger players with legs to run into spaces or when we're playing on the counter. Griezmann isn't that guy

Leave the balance for midfield and defence.

 

[Raketa10]

I hear what you're saying 30 isn't the end of the world but let's be real about something.

Messi isn't going anwhere anytime soon. So is it smart to have multiple 30 plus year old players up front?

IMO we should be looking to surround Messi with younger players with legs to run into spaces. Leave the balance for midfield and defence.

Yeah but Suarez won't be here for much longer and Dembouz is very young. Also until Griezz gets to 31 more young attackers will emerge. It's not like Jovic is the only solution for the next decade. We should stay calm since we will probably get Griezz, De Ligt and a LB. With De Jong here that's a fantastic business. We could also try to go for Maxi but if they don't want to sell for 30 just sit and wait because he is't worth more than that. Another opportunity will emerge for sure!

I was totally against Griezmann at first after that horrible shitshow he did last summer but to be fair he is probably the best solution for us right now. Paying 100 mil for Jovic should not even be considered. Even at 60 mil he was too expensive! Also there is no way in hell Jovic would bench Suarez while Griezmann could bench him easily. Our major problem is Valverde. If he stays than there is no player in the world who can improve us since this idiot will continue to play the same old 11 like he did this entire season.

 

[BarçaBarça]

Yeah but Suarez won't be here for much longer and Dembouz is very young. Also until Griezz gets to 31 more young attackers will emerge. It's not like Jovic is the only solution for the next decade. We should stay calm since we will probably get Griezz, De Ligt and a LB. With De Jong here that's a fantastic business. We could also try to go for Maxi but if they don't want to sell for 30 just sit and wait because he is't worth more than that. Another opportunity will emerge for sure!

I was totally against Griezmann at first after that horrible shitshow he did last summer but to be fair he is probably the best solution for us right now. Paying 100 mil for Jovic should not even be considered. Even at 60 mil he was too expensive! Also there is no way in hell Jovic would bench Suarez while Griezmann could bench him easily.

I agree with everything here!

 

[BBZ8800]

Jovic should be got at all costs, especially for the long term.

Barca have bought 24 midfielders and 25 attackers in the last 20 years.
You guys should calm down a little with: long term and xx is a player for the next 10 years.
Barca lives in cycles for 3-4-5 years, not in 10 years long cycles.
The only longer cycle happened when we won a lottery with Xavi-Iniesta-Messi in the same era.

We already have 2 questionable attackers in Dembele and Malcom.
Why adding another kid (Jovic) or even Joao Felix?
A player like Griezmann who can give 3-4 years is more than good enough.
Especially if a price for Griezmann is 120 and for Jovic 100 and Felix 120.

Messi will be 33 at the end of next season. Greizmann will be 29. Let's assume Messi stays till 35, which is very likely.

By that time Greizmann would already be 31. We could end up having to replace both in a short space time.

We bought 145M Dembele and 165M Coutinho in a space of 6 Months.

Btw, a list of 25 attackers bought in the last 20 years:
1999: Dani Garcia, Simao Sabrosa
2000: Overmars, Alfonso Perez
2001: Saviola, Geovanni Deiberson
2002: -
2003: Ronaldinho, Quaresma
2004: Eto'o, Larsson, Guily, Maxi Lopez
2005: Ezquerro
2006: Gudjohnsen
2007: Henry
2008: -
2009: Ibrahimovic, Keirrison
2010: Villa
2011: Alexis
2012: -
2013: Neymar
2014: Suarez
2015: -
2016: Paco
2017: Dembele
2018: Malcom, Prince

La Masia: Messi, Bojan, Pedro, Tello, Cuenca, Adama, Halilovic, Sandro, Munir, Deulofeu.
So, basically, if I haven't forgot anyone, we tried 35 different attackers in the last 20 years.

So, when you guys say:
1. a player xx will stay here for 10 years=highly unlikely
2. a player xx should get 2-3 seasons to prove himself=highly unlikely

Barca has never worked that way.
You'll get a chance for a season or two. If you won't perform right away, your coins are gone.

 

[El Guaje]

Barca have bought 24 midfielders and 25 attackers in the last 20 years.
You guys should calm down a little with: long term and xx is a player for the next 10 years.
Barca lives in cycles for 3-4-5 years, not in 10 years long cycles.
The only longer cycle happened when we won a lottery with Xavi-Iniesta-Messi in the same era.

We already have 2 questionable attackers in Dembele and Malcom.
Why adding another kid (Jovic) or even Joao Felix?
A player like Griezmann who can give 3-4 years is more than good enough.
Especially if a price for Griezmann is 120 and for Jovic 100 and Felix 120.



We bought 145M Dembele and 165M Coutinho in a space of 6 Months.

Btw, a list of 25 attackers bought in the last 20 years:
1999: Dani Garcia, Simao Sabrosa
2000: Overmars, Alfonso Perez
2001: Saviola, Geovanni Deiberson
2002: -
2003: Ronaldinho, Quaresma,
2004: Eto'o, Larsson, Guily, Maxi Lopez
2005: Ezquerro
2006: Gudjohnsen
2007: Henry
2008: -
2009: Ibrahimovic, Keirrison
2010: Villa
2011: Alexis
2012: -
2013: Neymar
2014: Suarez
2015: -
2016: Paco
2017: Dembele
2018: Malcom, Prince

La Masia: Messi, Bojan, Pedro, Tello, Cuenca, Adama, Halilovic, Sandro, Munir, Deulofeu.
So, basically, if I haven't forgot anyone, we tried 35 different attackers in the last 20 years.

So, when you guys say:
1. a player xx will stay here for 10 years=highly unlikely
2. a player xx should get 2-3 seasons to prove himself=highly unlikely

Barca has never worked that way.
You'll get a chance for a season or two. If you won't perform right away, your coins are gone.

What makes you so sure Griez will be a success?

 

[Respekt_III]

What makes you so sure Griez will be a success?

The same thing that made him think coutinho would be our 2nd best player when joining us from Liverpool...

 

[BBZ8800]

The same thing that made him think coutinho would be our 2nd best player when joining us from Liverpool...

So, one expensive signing failed and let's stop buying them.

On the other hand: Denis, Gomes, Digne, Paco, Malcom, maybe even Dembele etc.

Cou came from England and never won anything.
Griezmann plays in La Liga for 10 years, played in CL finals and won a World cup.

Of course that he can flop.
But he is safer bet than majority of other guys.

Also, if Messi gets injured, would you have more faith in: Dembele-Jovic-someone or in Griezmann-and 2 guys?

 

[FC433]

It is done.

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[FC433]

Only for 60m even though Benfica will get 30%

Excellent deal.