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DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
No idea. Its very messy atm, I guess we will get to know more later.
Who knows bro.... The end result from all this is of course that Man Utd and especially Woodward were incompetent in this window.
Darko
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YAY
fixed
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
I wanted to laugh at ManU management but I couldn't. Our management is equally bad, if not worse.
Martindn
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Apparently not imposters, but the same lawyers that worked on the Martinez transfer, shocker, our new club officials being dicks again trying to save face. If he doesnt get sacked, i will genuinely be fearful for the future.
Edit : http://www.lafferabogados.com/es/firma-y-valores/socios
Edit : http://www.lafferabogados.com/es/firma-y-valores/socios
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S7_MUFC
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and who would you bring in? I think there is lack of football related experience in our boardroom and I'd bring in someone as director of football....
Toecrusher
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From RedCafe...makes us feel slightly better about our own transfer window....
And the whole Ander Herrera deal collapsed because we didn’t know the Spanish tax laws! I.e. depending on how the deal was offered (cheque vs cash or something like that), we would have to pay 55 million versus 36 million because we became liable for tax. They didn’t know that going into the final meeting and didn’t have time to get new documents in time!
The thing that really irks me is the stuff that was rolled out at the start of the transfer window.
At the end of the day, yes we signed a midfielder. Finally, after wanting for years and years to sign a midfielder we did. Maybe he's not the one that we wanted, but we signed a midfielder. That's progress, in some way shape or form.
However, that could have been done straight off the bat. We could have activated his clause, gotten him into the team and had him train with us and used him in our matches. Instead we start a 39 year old Giggs in CM and we get exposed again. We could have saved money on his transfer by getting him cheaper which to me isn't that big a deal but when you look at the way we've handled our business this summer it looks like a few million here and there is some kind of life or death matter. So surely it would have made sense to do that. So that silly decision aside, if we wanted Fellaini from the start then that should have been what we did. Bid, buy, done. No-one would have batted an eyelid at us. Our transfer window would have been okay. No circus antics, no messing about.
It's all the shit around that that's made us look amateurish. First of all the bravado from Woodward. Business WILL be done. We have important transfer business to take care of, we have as much money as we need, Moyes can spend £60 million on one player if he wants to. Excellent.
So we let Thiago slide through the net, one of the most promising players widely seen as Xavi's successor. We let him go. Fair enough, it was disappointing but hey we must have a plan right. Woodward said so. He said we had urgent business to attend to. Clubs miss out on some people or let some people go all the time. So let's move on. The next day we place a bid for Fabregas. As if someone said 'hey you know what... Barca really didn't want to let this midfielder go. They thought they needed him, but they're now a midfielder down. I reckon right, no wait hear me out, I reckon they'll sell us another one. I reckon they'll let 2 of their CMs go in 2 days. Seriously.' As if that sentence isn't idiotic enough, we then bid a pathetic figure even lower than what we paid for Fellaini. This whole debacle was ridiculous and we got laughed at.
So we move on to thinking 'it's okay, there must be a plan. They've said there's a plan. They've said there's a war chest, they've said there are big plans. It's not like they've said there's money available and no value or they've said there's money available but we're keeping our eye out for the right player because those kind of lines tell us not to expect anything but it's the big plans we apparently have.
It's not like it even ends there. It just carries on. The Strootman/Ronaldo/Modric/Ozil/Khedira/Gundogan rumours aside because I have no idea how legit those rumours were or whether there was ever any interest there or just papers making shit up we arrive at the Herrera situation. A lad who wants to play for us, who was prepared to take a pay cut, who was prepared for his medical and we backed out. We made a fool out of him. Apparently we don't agree on his valuation, it's a buy out clause. You don't barter them down. You either pay it or you don't. We could have settled that ages ago by just saying sorry we're not paying that much. We probably got this lads hopes up only to piss on him. The whole saga is again a shambles.
We also bicker about his valuation, yet we pay £27.5 million for Fellaini. We are happy to pay £27.5m for Fellaini but we will only offer £25m for Fabregas. A player of such higher quality. We pay £27.5m for Fellaini when we didn't think Thiago was worth it at £25. We originally offered much lower than this, pissing off Everton and also made a low bid for Baines. It's amateur hour all round.
We then lodge a last minute loan bid for Coentrao who we must have wanted for a lot longer than one day. He's a LB/LM for christ sake, we haven't been linked with many of them this transfer window besides Baines. That wasn't a last minute rush to fill the gap of someone we got rejected for or fucked up on like it was with Harrera/Fellaini, that's a position we could have strengthened at any time yet we chose to do it last minute when we've had the entire transfer window. The same can even be said of Fellaini. We had the entire transfer window yet we chose to fuck about and do everything at the last minute. Then the antics today with these three bell ends in Spain. If that's actually true, and they were imposters then they've succeeded in making our club a laughing stock when we could simply have moved to deny it earlier in the day. We could have just come out and say 'err no' and that gets shut down quickly. Instead it drags on in every news outlet all day and nothing gets done until people are laughing at us again.
It's just like we were sold some story about big plans and big money and at the end of the day, none of it happened. Either it was bullshit to begin with, or the guys in charge just weren't competent. Fabregas aside, we weren't going for anybody unrealistic. Fellaini we got, Baines we probably could have got, Thiago we could have gotten I feel if we actually placed a bid and Herrera wanted to come here. The onus was on us to get it done.
So big money big plans = none of it came to fruition.
We don't want to meet the valuations of certain players yet we will happily pay close to it for Fellaini, a player of lower ability than the aforementioned that would have costed a similar price. It's contradictory.
Tl;dr just a lot of musings put into one wall of text. Maybe I've talked a lot of shit, but it's 2am and I'm trying to write everything at once. It wouldn't have been so bad if we'd have just done some business quietly and left it at that. Without all the public bollocks of trying and failing for everything like a stereotypical prom kid geek nervously asking popular girls one after the other if they'll go to the prom with him under pressure because it's in 2 days and he doesn't have anyone to go with yet and it's spread around everywhere how he's desperate and being rejected.
The end result wasn't terrible. I mean come on, we all said a month ago that we were going to get Fellaini. We knew it. The end result is fine. It's the stupid retarded way they decided to go about everybody they tried to get. It gave us hope because we actually thought these guys knew what they were doing, and then they messed it all up publicly. It's the antics we made as a club, and the poor choice of how we went about it that's the stupid thing.
People won't think about this transfer window 'hey you remember when United bought Fellaini?' Which could have been the case if we'd have just done it properly. They'll think 'hey do you remember when United passed on Thiago, bid a pathetic figure for Fabregas, allowed Fellaini's clause to run out so that it cost them more and he missed the first few games even though Moyes was his manager forever, went round all of Europe trying to buy midfielders and kept getting rejected, said no to Herrera because of his valuation, then paid pretty much that for Fellaini anyway and then couldn't even get a loan bid through in time, and let those 3 nobs in Spain pretend to be United for a day after saying they had big plans and big money..
yeah that was funny.'
And the whole Ander Herrera deal collapsed because we didn’t know the Spanish tax laws! I.e. depending on how the deal was offered (cheque vs cash or something like that), we would have to pay 55 million versus 36 million because we became liable for tax. They didn’t know that going into the final meeting and didn’t have time to get new documents in time!
The thing that really irks me is the stuff that was rolled out at the start of the transfer window.
At the end of the day, yes we signed a midfielder. Finally, after wanting for years and years to sign a midfielder we did. Maybe he's not the one that we wanted, but we signed a midfielder. That's progress, in some way shape or form.
However, that could have been done straight off the bat. We could have activated his clause, gotten him into the team and had him train with us and used him in our matches. Instead we start a 39 year old Giggs in CM and we get exposed again. We could have saved money on his transfer by getting him cheaper which to me isn't that big a deal but when you look at the way we've handled our business this summer it looks like a few million here and there is some kind of life or death matter. So surely it would have made sense to do that. So that silly decision aside, if we wanted Fellaini from the start then that should have been what we did. Bid, buy, done. No-one would have batted an eyelid at us. Our transfer window would have been okay. No circus antics, no messing about.
It's all the shit around that that's made us look amateurish. First of all the bravado from Woodward. Business WILL be done. We have important transfer business to take care of, we have as much money as we need, Moyes can spend £60 million on one player if he wants to. Excellent.
So we let Thiago slide through the net, one of the most promising players widely seen as Xavi's successor. We let him go. Fair enough, it was disappointing but hey we must have a plan right. Woodward said so. He said we had urgent business to attend to. Clubs miss out on some people or let some people go all the time. So let's move on. The next day we place a bid for Fabregas. As if someone said 'hey you know what... Barca really didn't want to let this midfielder go. They thought they needed him, but they're now a midfielder down. I reckon right, no wait hear me out, I reckon they'll sell us another one. I reckon they'll let 2 of their CMs go in 2 days. Seriously.' As if that sentence isn't idiotic enough, we then bid a pathetic figure even lower than what we paid for Fellaini. This whole debacle was ridiculous and we got laughed at.
So we move on to thinking 'it's okay, there must be a plan. They've said there's a plan. They've said there's a war chest, they've said there are big plans. It's not like they've said there's money available and no value or they've said there's money available but we're keeping our eye out for the right player because those kind of lines tell us not to expect anything but it's the big plans we apparently have.
It's not like it even ends there. It just carries on. The Strootman/Ronaldo/Modric/Ozil/Khedira/Gundogan rumours aside because I have no idea how legit those rumours were or whether there was ever any interest there or just papers making shit up we arrive at the Herrera situation. A lad who wants to play for us, who was prepared to take a pay cut, who was prepared for his medical and we backed out. We made a fool out of him. Apparently we don't agree on his valuation, it's a buy out clause. You don't barter them down. You either pay it or you don't. We could have settled that ages ago by just saying sorry we're not paying that much. We probably got this lads hopes up only to piss on him. The whole saga is again a shambles.
We also bicker about his valuation, yet we pay £27.5 million for Fellaini. We are happy to pay £27.5m for Fellaini but we will only offer £25m for Fabregas. A player of such higher quality. We pay £27.5m for Fellaini when we didn't think Thiago was worth it at £25. We originally offered much lower than this, pissing off Everton and also made a low bid for Baines. It's amateur hour all round.
We then lodge a last minute loan bid for Coentrao who we must have wanted for a lot longer than one day. He's a LB/LM for christ sake, we haven't been linked with many of them this transfer window besides Baines. That wasn't a last minute rush to fill the gap of someone we got rejected for or fucked up on like it was with Harrera/Fellaini, that's a position we could have strengthened at any time yet we chose to do it last minute when we've had the entire transfer window. The same can even be said of Fellaini. We had the entire transfer window yet we chose to fuck about and do everything at the last minute. Then the antics today with these three bell ends in Spain. If that's actually true, and they were imposters then they've succeeded in making our club a laughing stock when we could simply have moved to deny it earlier in the day. We could have just come out and say 'err no' and that gets shut down quickly. Instead it drags on in every news outlet all day and nothing gets done until people are laughing at us again.
It's just like we were sold some story about big plans and big money and at the end of the day, none of it happened. Either it was bullshit to begin with, or the guys in charge just weren't competent. Fabregas aside, we weren't going for anybody unrealistic. Fellaini we got, Baines we probably could have got, Thiago we could have gotten I feel if we actually placed a bid and Herrera wanted to come here. The onus was on us to get it done.
So big money big plans = none of it came to fruition.
We don't want to meet the valuations of certain players yet we will happily pay close to it for Fellaini, a player of lower ability than the aforementioned that would have costed a similar price. It's contradictory.
Tl;dr just a lot of musings put into one wall of text. Maybe I've talked a lot of shit, but it's 2am and I'm trying to write everything at once. It wouldn't have been so bad if we'd have just done some business quietly and left it at that. Without all the public bollocks of trying and failing for everything like a stereotypical prom kid geek nervously asking popular girls one after the other if they'll go to the prom with him under pressure because it's in 2 days and he doesn't have anyone to go with yet and it's spread around everywhere how he's desperate and being rejected.
The end result wasn't terrible. I mean come on, we all said a month ago that we were going to get Fellaini. We knew it. The end result is fine. It's the stupid retarded way they decided to go about everybody they tried to get. It gave us hope because we actually thought these guys knew what they were doing, and then they messed it all up publicly. It's the antics we made as a club, and the poor choice of how we went about it that's the stupid thing.
People won't think about this transfer window 'hey you remember when United bought Fellaini?' Which could have been the case if we'd have just done it properly. They'll think 'hey do you remember when United passed on Thiago, bid a pathetic figure for Fabregas, allowed Fellaini's clause to run out so that it cost them more and he missed the first few games even though Moyes was his manager forever, went round all of Europe trying to buy midfielders and kept getting rejected, said no to Herrera because of his valuation, then paid pretty much that for Fellaini anyway and then couldn't even get a loan bid through in time, and let those 3 nobs in Spain pretend to be United for a day after saying they had big plans and big money..
yeah that was funny.'
Martindn
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So more news has come out - The 'Impostors' who was at LFP hq, we had been using them as mediators with Athletic. Herrera told us to use previously agreed bonuses as the extra funds to complete the deal, he was sitting at home waiting for the damn medical while we was telling the press they was not authorised to act in our name. Its shocking how far a club can fall in 4 months. Disgraceful behaviour.
http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2013/09/02/primera/1378132861_970112.html
And while we was haggling over a few million euros, ill just leave this here...
http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2013/09/02/primera/1378132861_970112.html
And while we was haggling over a few million euros, ill just leave this here...
Oliver Kay @OliverKayTimes
#MUFC might want to leave it a week or two, until deadline-day dust has settled, before announcing record-breaking £350m revenue for 2012/13
#MUFC might want to leave it a week or two, until deadline-day dust has settled, before announcing record-breaking £350m revenue for 2012/13
S7_MUFC
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I don't think they can wait , they've already said the results will be published on tuesday on nyse.............at least we will have money to spend in january if things don't go as planned..............
Banana-Rama
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i think it is quite clear that we were restricted by a low transfer budget this summer, basically we had a budget of around £30 million and spent the summer trying to get the best that we could with that money. fellaini was clearly a last resort signing because we couldn't get anyone better, if he was really the top target why didn't we pay his £23 million release clause earlier in the window, we ended up overpaying for him by £4.5 million over his clause and didn't get it done until 10 minutes before the window closed, ridiculous really...
S7_MUFC
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We will know for sure how much cash they had and if they spent any money on debt repayments and Dividends once the accounts are released...........
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