Marlon Santos

BBZ8800

BBZ8800

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serghei said:
Agree about Marlon. Although he didn't cost a lot and he's probably on a low salary.

But, Mina? If someone doesn't pay up 30m. for him, then he can stay at Barcelona. He's more than worth how much we paid for him. Defenders who score vital goals at World Cups are rare. He was a beast for Colombia at the highest level. He can be a great buy for an EPL team. If they don't want to pay up, then he stays with us.

With Mina it is a win-win case.

Our biggest problem atm is the return of investment for Gomes, and Paco, which is low, not to mention Arda. Players who cost serious money, have big salaries and haven't contributed with much.
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Imo, you are not objective about Mina.

Imagine that you are a club's owner, a coach or a businessman.
Why on Earth would you pay 30M for Mina?

Domagoj Vida from Croatia, is chased by Atletico and Liverpool, and they offered 20M for him.
Ok, he is 29, but he still has 3-4 years of top level defending infront of him.
He has been playing in Europe: Croatia, Ukranine, Turkey for 12 seasons.
He played 65 NT matches and played on 2 World cups and Euros.

Now, if you were a Liverpool or some big club, would you buy a proven CB who just reached WC finals and played almost without mistakes against Messi, Sterling, Mbappe and similar, or would you buy Mina, who had a horror show at Barca and good matches on a WC with Colombia, who could turn into a total disaster easily on a club level in Europe (zero experience against Messi and fast wingers)?

Not to mention Mina's poor pace, strange positioning, not being adapted to a faster European football etc.
So, big clubs surely won't buy Mina.
Medium level clubs could be interested, but for peanuts since he is a huge gamble (and smaller clubs don't have money).

Also, Vida signed for Besiktas 6 Months ago FOR FREE.
So, you could get a 28 years old NT Level experienced CB for 0 Millions and you are hoping that someone would pay 25-30M for Mina?

It seems that more and more buyers are looking for players with a proven European experience, and not "young guys with potential", like 5-10 richest clubs who have money to spend and who are willing to gamble.

Reports said that Everton could buy Mina for 24 Millions, but I wouldn't believe those reports at all (the same as Marlon to EPL for 15M).
Today, reports say that Boca Juniors have offered 8 or 10 Millions for a purchase of Mina.

If Mina is worth 24M, this guy was signed for free only 6 Months ago:

Ok, it is possible that some crazy club will splash more than 15M for Mina.
But to be honest, a worth of these, unproven, non european defenders is quite low.
Also, remember that papers, clubs and agents need to post stories and lie, to "raise" the price of a player and to gain some interest for him.

For example: a fabricated story that Everton wants Mina for 24M.
And then some naive club comes and say: ok, fine, we will give you 17M for Mina (and they will think that they got him for cheap since 24M was rumored a few days ago).
So, imo, don't take those "first" stories as serious.
Barca and our agents are just trying to pump/hype prices of our fringe players.
Lower the rumored price to 50-60% and then you'll get a price at which a player will get sold eventually to some other club.
 
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serghei

serghei

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[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], several things.

1) We aren't deseperate to sell Mina. We paid a low sum on him, he is young and has some great qualities (with some clear weaknesses as well).

2) There are many teams in EPL who could afford to pay 30m. for him. EPL is a league that is still dominated by deep defenses which have to deal with a lot of crosses each game, with big target men. Mina is basically custom made for that sort of thing. Outside a game with the big 4-5 teams in England, where he could be a liability, Mina could dominate the league physically. This is true for La Liga as well. He would be a good option against the smaller teams. No reason why a top 10 team in England wouldn't pay top money for him.

3) He is young. He has value. He is very strong and he has proven that he rises up to the challenge and has a top competitive attitude. Plenty of things to like.

Basically your only argument for a team not willing to fork 30m. for him is that he doesn't have experience in a top European League. Which is true.
 
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Porque

Senior Member
BBZ8800 said:
It is easy to say that.
Nainggolan is an Nt player and Roma's starter for years.
Rafinha is a benchwarmer who is injury prone and doesn't play for an Nt team
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It is as easy as that. The Rafinha loan included a verbal agreement that Rafinha would move for an agreed price if Inter made the CL- which they did. Citing FFP they did not buy Rafinha, yet at the last month spent 38 million on another player.

The board needed to get that purchase agreement in writing inside the loan contract, with a financial penalty to be paid if Inter Milan can't buy Rafinha this window with verifiable proof that it is FFP.

Same sh*t with Marlon, bring him back to sell to West Ham when the offer is not concrete. Get them to submit a concrete offer that they will sign Marlon if we activate the buyback clause, and put a penalty fine in there if they back out of the deal.

Now their media trying to play tai-chi saying Southampton have backed out of the deal when they were not even the original buyer when we brought him back.
 
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gregorrin10

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Borussia Mönchengladbach are very close on signing Barcelona defender, Marlon Santos. The deal can cost upto €12M-€15M for the German club. [md]

Gonna be really glad if this is true...after the loan cancellation debacle i thought we wouldn't get rid of him, or in best case scenario, send him on another loan. Hopefully Gladbach won't pull another 'Diop' or Vestergaard' and pull out of the deal last minute. And they would be a suitable club for Marlon too, they always seem to do well with young central defenders. So it seems like Marlon to Gladbach, Digne to (Everton?) and Vidal to Lokomotiv are imminent, so hopefully that'll be like 40M altogether. About time we start thining out the herd, still we have a bunch more to go. I hope we manage to sell all of them, including Rafinha, although if we fail with him, he could still provide useful being Dembele's deputy, but i'd still sell him and give those chances to Alena.

But especially get rid of Gomes, Mina and Paco (my choice instead of Munir, not only i think of Paco as the lesser player, because of the bigger international reputation he should fetch us a bigger transfer fee, which is needed), should get a nicer sum of money for these three than the three i've written about above, if we of course actually manage to sell them. And then if we still need money afterwards, we can always sell Jasper for 30-40M too.
 
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