Matthijs de Ligt

[FCBfan22]

Todibo will most likely go on loan for some experience until Pique leaves, Murillo would return to his club

Well, we can't break the bank again this summer. We desperately need a LB and a younger striker.

 

[Porque]

And still, why would you buy YET ANOTHER CB?

We will have Umtiti, Pique, Lenglet, Todibo and possibly Murillo, if we take the buy option. There is just no need. Also, selling Cou to buy a CB is ilogical.

As Pique's long term replacement. The only right footed centre backs we have are Pique, Murillo and Todibo.

Someone else said previously that Todibo is a lottery. He could be anything from not Barcelona quality to World Class.

Meanwhile Murillo in all likelihood won't be bought. That 25m can be added used in a world class option.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Anyway the club is unlikely to move for MDL anytime soon for several reasons.

1) It will be too risky and not worth it to spend €75 million + on a position that we are currently stacked in provided that Umtiti will be ready to play at the end of the season or at least when the next season starts.

2) Lenglet has performed very well and proven to be a reliable option. A perfect substitute.

3) Todibo has just been signed for free. Yes, he is a total unknown but the potential is real and half of the top clubs wanted him. If he proves to be special talent, his presence in the team alone would exclude a transfer of a young and talented CB as we would be stacked sufficiently.

4) Umtiti (25), Lenglet (24), Piqué (32) and Todibo (20) starting from next season on (using their ages as of August 2019) and possibly a local canterano or Murillo (doubtful) is more than enough.

5) Buying MDL this summer would mean that Lenglet is deemed not good enough, Umtiti's future being uncertain and Piqué would have to move on as he would receive very little playing time competing with 3 CB's in the mould of Umtiti, MDL and Lenglet. That is even excluding Todibo who I imagine will be loaned out to gain regular playing time unless he is Varane like talent as claimed by certain people and outlets.

6) In any case, if MDL is set to arrive this summer or the next one, Piqué would have to be moved on and Todibo likely to fail to establish himself. Not sure if Lenglet would want to be a substitute of Umtiti and MDJ forever as well.

There are a few unknowns related to our CB situation with Umtiti being the biggest one currently but it is generally a position where we are quite stacked.

 

[MTL_Barca]

I think it would be too expensive this summer, 150M for the two dutch boys was already expensive but now it's probably more like 160-170M for both. That's crazy.

De Ligt would be a great Pique replacement but i doubt we really want a Pique replacement right away. We would probably need to give him a spot now to get him because that's what other clubs can offer too so i think we'll stick with our lineup for now, maybe get a replacement for Murillo if Todibo doesn't make the squad for next season.

Would like him here but i don't think it'll happen.

 

[Luftstalag14]

We can't get him, period. Unless we offload a lot of players which is not going to happen.

I think De Ligt most likely will end up at Juventus or PSG. Bayern already got Pavard and is not likely to pay the kind of money De Ligt and his agent want. And given how much we have paid for De Jong, there is absolutely ZERO chance that Bayern will pay about 100m for a CB.

 

[Leo_Messi]

We can't get him, period. Unless we offload a lot of players which is not going to happen.

I think De Ligt most likely will end up at Juventus or PSG. Bayern already got Pavard and is not likely to pay the kind of money De Ligt and his agent want.

We could afford him. However as stated in post 832, it is not likely to occur for other reasons such as him not being a priority unless Umtiti's knee is too messed up which I doubt is the case given that he is likely to return before the Lyon tie.

Besides, personally, I would prefer going for Ibrahima Konaté if the goal is to buy a very talented young CB who is fairly established. Would likely be cheaper too.

 

[VN10]

How are most of you satisfied with our current central defence? Someone explain me how you do not see that?

We have 0 top defenders, 1 potential top defender in Umtiti, a decent back up in Lenglet, a meme in Pique and an unproven young talent.
And Murillo, lets give him the benefit of the doubt. But I strongly doubt that he could become more than a decent back up.

Our terrible central defence is being masked by Ter Stegen, Alba and Busquets.
Imagine if we had a good defence that could grow into the world's best, something along the lines of De Ligt + Umtiti...

Edit:
Not sure at all if it's true: I'm from the region where Cillissen is from, and he tells his mates how good it feels to play for Holland with Van Dijk and De Ligt in front of him compared to his club central defenders.

 

[gregorrin10]

How are most of you satisfied with our current central defence? Someone explain me how you do not see that?

We have 0 top defenders, 1 potential top defender in Umtiti, a decent back up in Lenglet, a meme in Pique and an unproven young talent.
And Murillo, lets give him the benefit of the doubt. But I strongly doubt that he could become more than a decent back up.

Our terrible central defence is being masked by Ter Stegen, Alba and Busquets.
Imagine if we had a good defence that could grow into the world's best, something along the lines of De Ligt + Umtiti...

it's pointless to mention Umtiti and Lenglet, as they are both there for the LCB position. As for RCB, we have Pique, who's been a joke most times for 3 years now and desperately needs a real talent, to challenge him for the starting spot right away, as for Todibo, yes he might turn out great, but he's a complete unknown at this point, and he'll most likely go out on loan for a year first anyway. With Pique, De Ligt, Umtiti and Lenglet we would have a world class CB, all 4 players capable of jumping in and playing even the toughest matches anytime, with Todibo on loan, ready to jump in once Pique retires (which i think will be sooner than most of us think, i'd say 2-3 years max.).

 

[Luftstalag14]

We could afford him. However as stated in post 832, it is not likely to occur for other reasons such as him not being a priority unless Umtiti's knee is too messed up which I doubt is the case given that he is likely to return before the Lyon tie.

Besides, personally, I would prefer going for Ibrahima Konaté if the goal is to buy a very talented young CB who is fairly established. Would likely be cheaper too.

Not sure about whether we can afford De Ligt (I think we might be able to afford his transfer fee but not his salary and commission etc. since the Fat Rat is his agent), but I agree the likes of Konate and his partner in crime, one of my favorites (Upamecano ) will be cheaper and not bad options for us down the road.

 

[Leo_Messi]

How are most of you satisfied with our current central defence? Someone explain me how you do not see that?

We have 0 top defenders, 1 potential top defender in Umtiti, a decent back up in Lenglet, a meme in Pique and an unproven young talent.
And Murillo, lets give him the benefit of the doubt. But I strongly doubt that he could become more than a decent back up.

Our terrible central defence is being masked by Ter Stegen, Alba and Busquets.
Imagine if we had a good defence that could grow into the world's best, something along the lines of De Ligt + Umtiti...

Not sure at all if it's true: I'm from the region where Cillissen is from, and he tells his mates how good it feels to play for Holland with Van Dijk and De Ligt in front of him.

What are you blabbering about? Since when is a healthy Umtiti (the best defender for a World Cup winning France side) not a top defender? What are you exactly blabbering about?

Similarly with Lenglet. Which elite/top club in Europe has such a young and reliable substitute in their ranks?

Piqué is no joke either. Whenever we are playing against elite opponents or top matches, he is usually one of the best performers. It is his slacking against easier opponents on paper that is the problem.

Murillo won't be bought for €25 million no matter how he performs.

So we are only one player (MDL) away from having a world class defence. You are contradicting yourself heavily.

A healthy Umtiti, Piqué, Lenglet, Todibo and a canterano or a veteran that will substitute Vermaelen directly (if Todibo does not do that) is more than enough for the next season. In the summer of 2020 we can buy a direct replacement for Piqué as Piqué is not going anywhere next season. A season too soon.

I am a big fan of MDL as well but come on. Ibrahima Konaté is a similar type of talent with even more impressive physical attributes and greater quickness.

 

[VN10]

What are you blabbering about? Since when is a healthy Umtiti (the best defender for a World Cup winning France side) not a top defender? What are you exactly blabbering about?

Similarly with Lenglet. Which elite/top club in Europe has such a young and reliable substitute in their ranks?

Piqué is no joke either. Whenever we are playing against elite opponents or top matches, he is usually one of the best performers. It is his slacking against easier opponents on paper that is the problem.

Murillo won't be bought for €25 million no matter how he performs.

So we are only one player (MDL) away from having a world class defence. You are contradicting yourself heavily.

A healthy Umtiti, Piqué, Lenglet, Todibo and a canterano or a veteran that will substitute Vermaelen directly (if Todibo does not do that) is more than enough for the next season. In the summer of 2020 we can buy a direct replacement for Piqué as Piqué is not going anywhere next season. A season too soon.

I am a big fan of MDL as well but come on. Ibrahima Konaté is a similar type of talent with even more impressive physical attributes and greater quickness.

I'm almost in tears.

The things you say about Lenglet and Pique... Ok, thats just a bit of a bias.

But comparing Konaté to De Ligt is just hahahaha

 

[Newcomer]

How are most of you satisfied with our current central defence? Someone explain me how you do not see that?

We have 0 top defenders, 1 potential top defender in Umtiti, a decent back up in Lenglet, a meme in Pique and an unproven young talent.
And Murillo, lets give him the benefit of the doubt. But I strongly doubt that he could become more than a decent back up.

Our terrible central defence is being masked by Ter Stegen, Alba and Busquets.
Imagine if we had a good defence that could grow into the world's best, something along the lines of De Ligt + Umtiti...

Edit:
Not sure at all if it's true: I'm from the region where Cillissen is from, and he tells his mates how good it feels to play for Holland with Van Dijk and De Ligt in front of him compared to his club central defenders.

How do you explain Heerenveen shipping 4 goals on such a great defence like Ajax and de Ligt that is already the best defender in the world ? And this is with the referee not giving a stonewall penalty even with VAR calling him.

Why, with two goals lead, de Ligt was playing as a forward and allowed the opponents easy counter attacks ?

I mean, he could become a great defender but this is not a certain thing to say he is already better than what Barca have right now. When Liverpool pays 75 for VVD, it is not for potential but for certainty right now.

 

[VN10]

[MENTION=15570]Newcomer[/MENTION] It was a bad game from Ajax. Our 'wordclass defence' (rofl) with Pique in it concedes goals against Eibar as well right? It happends.
Besides, Ajax' 2nd goalkeeper is 1.74, no joke. He played that game, and he was yeah... terrible.

De Ligt is already better than Pique and especially Lenglet, without a single doubt. Imagine where he will be in a year or 2.

 

[EdmondDantes]

What are you blabbering about? Since when is a healthy Umtiti (the best defender for a World Cup winning France side) not a top defender? What are you exactly blabbering about?

Similarly with Lenglet. Which elite/top club in Europe has such a young and reliable substitute in their ranks?

Piqué is no joke either. Whenever we are playing against elite opponents or top matches, he is usually one of the best performers. It is his slacking against easier opponents on paper that is the problem.

Murillo won't be bought for €25 million no matter how he performs.

So we are only one player (MDL) away from having a world class defence. You are contradicting yourself heavily.

A healthy Umtiti, Piqué, Lenglet, Todibo and a canterano or a veteran that will substitute Vermaelen directly (if Todibo does not do that) is more than enough for the next season. In the summer of 2020 we can buy a direct replacement for Piqué as Piqué is not going anywhere next season. A season too soon.

I am a big fan of MDL as well but come on. Ibrahima Konaté is a similar type of talent with even more impressive physical attributes and greater quickness.

I think VN10's football mind is stuck in the if-he-ain't-Dutch-he-ain't-worth-a-fuck modus operandi. Don't forget he's the guy who said de Ligt was the best talent in world football since Messi. We all thought Mandrake was biased with his beloved Chilean players but monsieur VN10 takes the biscuit in that regard, hands down.


The way he goes about in the third person with all the 'we' the 'ours' and 'us' as he proceeds to berate and belittle every Barca player amuses me. This is a defense that won the double last season. Multiple World Cup winners as well. But no, without Matthijs we're unworthy and doomed. Please...


As I said to him a few days ago; Lenglet is currently better than de Ligt. And I rate de Ligt as a talent, but Clement is an actual reality.

 

[VN10]

Are you actually reading my statements?

A typical Britisch thing to do, getting personal when you can't win an argument or have something useful to say.
We see that althrough British society, starting at the very top in the house of commons where they scream at each other when they run out of arguments.