Mavericky Puig

[Rory]

Just because Koeman is doing a good job overall, it doesn't mean he can't be wrong and unfair in some aspects. With Puig, he is.

Straw man. Where did I say Koeman can't be wrong and unfair?

We don't know why Puig isn't getting more minutes really, unless you're willing to speculate about this on the assumption you might be wrong then there's no point in discussing why Puig is left out. As is quite often with you, you say things as fact without leaving things open to possibilities that you haven't seen. It just breeds the sort of boring discussions like "Puig next Xavi" vs "Puig little boy segunda level player".

Maybe Koeman is being a dick. Also maybe Puig is cocky in training and disrespectful. Maybe Puig doesn't actually offer more than the other players. Maybe Puig has leaked info to the press. Dozens of possibilities. But nope, forum experts know it's just Koeman being an arsehole.

 

[serghei]

Straw man. Where did I say Koeman can't be wrong and unfair?

We don't know why Puig isn't getting more minutes really, unless you're willing to speculate about this on the assumption you might be wrong then there's no point in discussing why Puig is left out. As is quite often with you, you say things as fact without leaving things open to possibilities that you haven't seen. It just breeds the sort of boring discussions like "Puig next Xavi" vs "Puig little boy segunda level player".

Maybe Koeman is being a dick. Also maybe Puig is cocky in training and disrespectful. Maybe Puig doesn't actually offer more than the other players. Maybe Puig has leaked info to the press. Dozens of possibilities. But nope, forum experts know it's just Koeman being an arsehole.

Not 100% of the content of a post refers directly to somebody.

As for the rest of your comment, pretty pointless no offense. That's the nature of forums, people put their opinions, and theories, and estimations, and guesses forward.

In the case of Puig, I operate with what I see. That he plays well when trusted, then goes long periods of time without playing almost any decent minutes, without this being a result of what he does on the field.

The most logical conclusion is not that he is cocky and disrespectful in training lol. If this was the case, he wouldn't play at all and would be left out of the squad for improper discipline, especially under someone like Koeman who takes no shit. The most logical conclusion is that Koeman does not value a player of his particular profile.

 

[Rory]

Not 100% of the content of a post refers directly to somebody.

As for the rest of your comment, pretty pointless no offense. That's the nature of forums, people put their opinions, and theories, and estimations, and guesses forward.

In the case of Puig, I operate with what I see. That he plays well when trusted, then goes long periods of time without playing almost any decent minutes, without this being a result of what he does on the field.

The most logical conclusion is not that he is cocky and disrespectful in training lol. If this was the case, he wouldn't play at all and would be left out of the squad for improper discipline, especially under someone like Koeman who takes no shit. The most logical conclusion is that Koeman does not value a player of his particular profile.

God I forgot for a moment who I was dealing with. ser- Everyone's an idiot except me and I'm always right -ghei

 

[Gnidrologist]

Well, he has point. How are your pulled out of the arse speculations more valid?

 

[Rory]

Well, he has point. How are your pulled out of the arse speculations more valid?

Genuinely don't know who you're talking to here. I didn't say my speculations were more valid so you can't be talking to me.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Speculations about Puigs snallness or him being cocky/unlikable for coach. I think just as Serhei that he (Koeman) simply doesn't see his profile in his game plan. It's not his attitude or even physique, because Puig is sturdy strong lad despite his frame. He just don't see where to insert him in his current, quite robust system.

 

[JohnN]

The team has found a chemistry and it's hard for koeman to play Puig in most games from the start.
If we have an "easier" game he should be in front of pjanic though.

 

[Bobo32]

Speculations about Puigs snallness or him being cocky/unlikable for coach. I think just as Serhei that he (Koeman) simply doesn't see his profile in his game plan. It's not his attitude or even physique, because Puig is sturdy strong lad despite his frame. He just don't see where to insert him in his current, quite robust system.

But Koeman has switched from 4-2-3-1 to 3-4-1-2 to 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 and then 3-4-3, while also switching between different systems 3-4 times per game sometimes, and sometimes just playing without forwards or midfielders but 5 defenders and 5 number tens, etc. The approach also varied, sometimes to sit low, sometimes to press high and so on.

Mostly he has played the players he trusts and likes, in different formations, different ways. I don't think he has any consistent idea of how to play, and even if he had one, I can't understand how anyone would be dissatisfied with what Puig has done in most of his appearances - it goes beyond style or game plan, he has simply played well.

 

[serghei]

The team has found a chemistry and it's hard for koeman to play Puig in most games from the start.
If we have an "easier" game he should be in front of pjanic though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUhryHedU-Q

How about that chemistry. One of the best games we've played this season. The idea that playing Puig somehow means you risk losing points has been proven wrong already.

Overplaying Pedri and not playing Puig enough is easily Koeman's biggest man-management flaw. Can't fault him for much else as far as using the squad goes.

 

[Gnidrologist]

But Koeman has switched from 4-2-3-1 to 3-4-1-2 to 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 and then 3-4-3, while also switching between different systems 3-4 times per game sometimes, and sometimes just playing without forwards or midfielders but 5 defenders and 5 number tens, etc. The approach also varied, sometimes to sit low, sometimes to press high and so on.

Mostly he has played the players he trusts and likes, in different formations, different ways. I don't think he has any consistent idea of how to play, and even if he had one, I can't understand how anyone would be dissatisfied with what Puig has done in most of his appearances - it goes beyond style or game plan, he has simply played well.

I havd to agree with above post.

 

[Gnidrologist]

The point being from me is that he is just too good to be dismissed like Koeman does for whatever reason. He has his flaws, but so have absolutely any of our current players, especially young ones. He shouldn't be dismissed as much as he has been. Especially when we would benefit from more rotation given our bad injury record this season and playing some players to death. There's just no rational explanation why Riki hasn't had more minutes this season. He's not phenomenal, but very good most of the time. Lot of our regular subs that get way more time on the field, like Trincao, are way more inconsistent than Puig, yet he is the one who is used as a scapegoat. I like some of the things that Koeman is doing and have warmed up to him since the start of the season, but his decision making still seem dubious.

 

[TRY_Aze]

Speculations about Puigs snallness or him being cocky/unlikable for coach. I think just as Serhei that he (Koeman) simply doesn't see his profile in his game plan. It's not his attitude or even physique, because Puig is sturdy strong lad despite his frame. He just don't see where to insert him in his current, quite robust system.

yeah we have quite robust system

 

[frostdude1]

The point is that he needs to be getting more minutes. These garbage minutes are stupid and show that Koeman has something against this kid.
I love Ilaix but he should not be getting more minutes than Puig.

 

[Joan]

You think Ilaix shouldn't be getting more minutes because you like Puig. Ilaix is a different player and the one Koeman obviously prefers. On top of that, he's giving us performances which are not worse than Puig's, especially his starts. He's also 3 years younger and more solid at the back. Won't argue he's more productive since the sample's small.

Puig does bring more to the table in some, but Koeman cannot be blamed for prefering other aspects.

 

[fergus90]

I like the look of Moriba too but he's started one game, beyond ridiculous to draw any further conclusions about his abilities vs Puig at this stage. One thing that does make a difference though is having the manager's trust and belief. If you don't have it, very difficult to get game time, deserving or not.