Mavericky Puig

BerkeleyBernie

BerkeleyBernie

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Andresito said:
Definitely not. No player is dreaming of winning MLS. The change of popularity from one continent to another will never happen, it's too big of a change and there's no reason for it to happen. European clubs have money and the competitions are still as prestigious to win.
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Nothing to support your argument (that nothing will change, lol, that's always a terrible bet). I gave reasons- the increasing familiarity and popularity of soccer in the US with its huge population, the increasing inclusiveness of soccer in this multicultural nation (as the old white boys East Coast prep school soccer network loses prominence), and the unlimited wealth to develop. You might check out the book "Soccernomics."
 
Andresito

Andresito

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BerkeleyBernie said:
Nothing to support your argument (that nothing will change, lol, that's always a terrible bet). I gave reasons- the increasing familiarity and popularity of soccer in the US with its huge population, the increasing inclusiveness of soccer in this multicultural nation (as the old white boys East Coast prep school soccer network loses prominence), and the unlimited wealth to develop. You might check out the book "Soccernomics."
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That at most can lead to an increase in American talent, who will then in turn move to Europe.
How much have changed in football the past 70 years? CL is still won by Spanish, English, Italian and German sides. There's been no big emigration anywhere, apart from a bigger possibility of moving from South America and other continents to Europe.

Players want to compete in CL and the biggest European leagues. Tradition plays a huge part in football, American money isn't going to change that.
 
JohnN

JohnN

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BerkeleyBernie said:
Nothing to support your argument (that nothing will change, lol, that's always a terrible bet). I gave reasons- the increasing familiarity and popularity of soccer in the US with its huge population, the increasing inclusiveness of soccer in this multicultural nation (as the old white boys East Coast prep school soccer network loses prominence), and the unlimited wealth to develop. You might check out the book "Soccernomics."
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Nothing will change is always a risky claim, but you can see that nations that were historically associated with football and have a deep footballing culture , have consistently been good at it and are still producing talented players and top teams. On the other hand, nations that didn't have that culture developed, are still not producing such players and are still on the same mediocre level after 100+ years. So, the claim that US soccer will probably never reach the level of European or Latin American football, is not so absurd. Money and exposure are simply not enough, as demonstrated beautifully by PSG and the billions they spent the last decade, only to be spat in the face every single season in CL, by traditionally big footballing clubs with less money.
 
MTL_Barca

MTL_Barca

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MLS is said to be on the rise for like 10+ years already.

It's always said football gets more popular, league gets better etc yet the teams still suck and nobody goes there unless their career in Europe is finished and they just want to secure the bag and retire. US national team also still sucks.

Maybe they catch up one day but surely not anytime close to Puigs career lifespan and he will surely not play any part in developing that league.
 
Catta

Catta

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As long as you guys call it soccer, it will never be anything else than a league for past it players and bums who can't cut it in Europe.
 
Andresito

Andresito

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BerkeleyBernie said:
Things change. LOL, ffs, soccer used to be played with an inverted pyramid.

Hungary used to be a world power in football, and had a great influence on the modern game.

Soccer these days is dominated by teams in large financial/industrial centers with a lot of money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary_national_football_team
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Football in Europe vs USA will always be like basketball in Europe vs USA. Traditions don't change just like that. Some competitions just have a higher status and will always draw 99% of the talent there. Then you have your Hulks and Oscars who are happy to waste their talent elsewhere for money.
 
FCBarca

FCBarca

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MLS is not even at the level of the Swiss Super League - it's a training league for Europe and you'd have to be a star in the MLS to get a chance in Europe
 
Bobo32

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MTL_Barca said:
Good for him and nothing new because we all knew the guy doesn't have any ambitions. To each their own.

But it's really silly to ask what there would be for him in a better league. Nico joined Valencia to potentially still make it at Barca, Puig had to be excluded from the pre-season tour to finally take a hint and fuck off, and then went straight to a retirement league. Completely different mentality there. Seems like his fans here care way more about his career than Puig himself.
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You care absolutely nothing for his career, but you are not a fan either. His fans here are not the ones complaining about him playing (very well it seems) in MLS. It is those who are writing vicious posts criticizing his every move that care a lot about his career choices, and who seem to think they are in the know about his choices, his thought processes, and his ambitions, even though they never spoke to him or were successful in football (or elsewhere probably) themselves. What I can say with confidence is that Puig probably couldn't care less about if MTL_Barca or someone else think it is wrong of him to not go to Valencia or not.

I am just glad to see him playing and enjoying himself, and I think he has absolutely nothing to excuse himself for with regards to FC Barcelona.
 
Richard.H

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MTL_Barca said:
MLS is said to be on the rise for like 10+ years already.

It's always said football gets more popular, league gets better etc yet the teams still suck and nobody goes there unless their career in Europe is finished and they just want to secure the bag and retire. US national team also still sucks.

Maybe they catch up one day but surely not anytime close to Puigs career lifespan and he will surely not play any part in developing that league.
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No it has improved, teams seem more disciplined now. That was something that I noticed was always missing in MLS and made it look a lot more amateur than European leagues: The tactics. You'd have a CB leaving his area carelessly but nowadays you don't see that happen so much. There is more EPL teams, Bundesliga teams, and other top European leagues looking at MLS for potential signings.


Also, as the importance of money grows in the sport, MLS will grow too. It's a big market (compared to Asia, Australia, etc, not Europe) whether you like it or not and there is a ton of American investors willing to spend millions/billions on these teams.
 
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MTL_Barca

MTL_Barca

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Bobo32 said:
You care absolutely nothing for his career, but you are not a fan either. His fans here are not the ones complaining about him playing (very well it seems) in MLS. It is those who are writing vicious posts criticizing his every move that care a lot about his career choices, and who seem to think they are in the know about his choices, his thought processes, and his ambitions, even though they never spoke to him or were successful in football (or elsewhere probably) themselves. What I can say with confidence is that Puig probably couldn't care less about if MTL_Barca or someone else think it is wrong of him to not go to Valencia or not.

I am just glad to see him playing and enjoying himself, and I think he has absolutely nothing to excuse himself for with regards to FC Barcelona.
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Sorry but this is an L Bobo. My post wasn't even about Puig because you are right i actually don't care about what he's doing in the US. It was about that weird take that going to MLS somehow is great career move for a young player, as well as seriously questioning what upside playing in a more competitive league has.

It really says enough that the only actual football argument there was him being a starter...what is totally expected when joining such a weak league. Besides that it's all fans, connections etc. so explicitly what many people saw as his problem at Barca too.
 
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Bobo32

Bobo32

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MTL_Barca said:
Sorry but this is an L Bobo. My post wasn't even about Puig because you are right i actually don't care about what he's doing in the US. It was about that weird take that going to MLS somehow is great career move for a young player, as well as seriously questioning what upside playing in a more competitive league has.

It really says enough that the only actual football argument there was him being a starter...what is totally expected when joining such a weak league. Besides that it's all fans, connections etc. so explicitly what many people saw as his problem at Barca too.
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Your post was about Puig and about his reasoning, him "fucking off", speculating about how much he cares about his career, and how much his fans care about his career. It reads very whiny.

Whether MLS is a good career move or not for him is hard to speculate about for us who have almost none of the info, and it is very early anyway. I don't really care about that part, the option is his, and he was the one who had all the info to make the decision. He was at least so far picked in the team of the week for the league first chance I think, and he seems to play very well, being involved in a lot of goals.
 
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