Hmmm, this is very subjective argument that is filled with I "believe/think".
It's nothing less subjective than people saying our loans never work out.
If you believe everyone who was loaned wasn't gonna make it here, sure then loans aren't the one to blame and vice versa.
About which player exactly do you disagree with my assesment they were/are not good enough to make it here? Henrique? Fontas? Deulofeu? Tello (mainly because we've had MSN because I think he was probably good enough to stay as a backup but he would never play so why would he want to stay)? Montoya? Samper? Palencia? Cardona? Oriol Busquets (the jury is still out on him and maybe he'll prove me wrong but I was never all that impressed with him; still wish him good though)?
In previous post I've mentioned the players who I think Barça was hoping they would develop into potential future first team players during their loans and some of them did come back (as better players) but still couldn't stay here for more than a season or two.
I think we need to separate youngsters from players we need to get rid of, who has been already with 1st team football for multiple years. As those has nothing to do with loaning or not loaning Puig. So I don't think the likes of Coutinho/Arda/Ibra is valid here.
Yeah, we need to separate them but IF we are talking about whether our loans work or not I think it's still valid to mention those players because they were loaned with a purpose get rid of their wages and/or to improve their value to be sold later. And it worked in most cases so I'd say we got what we wanted from loaning those players.
Also, just because a player rebounded from a bad loan, doesn't mean it was a good one. People learn from mistakes and make it learning experience. It doesn't change the fact it is a mistake. A player like Munir moving to Valencia was truly bad for him. A club that was above his level in terms of quality of players and also is a mess that their home grown superstar prefered to come to warm the bench here than staying there.
Sure Munir didn't get into the best situation at Valencia but do you think he would develop much better if he'd be on loan at let's say Alaves for two seasons? Do you think he would become good enough to be our future starter or at least a backup for more than 18 months like it happened after his return? I think he's good enough to be a starter in most bottom/midtable clubs in La Liga and a squad player in Valencia/Sevilla (or similar level clubs in other leagues) but he's just not good enough to ever make it back to the top level clubs.
I won't give club credit for D.Suarez to Villarreal, they wanted him, Sevilla wanted to sell him, Denis wanted to go. We really didn't have much choice and we aren't the one who picked them for him.
He was on a 2-year loan at Sevilla so we were still deciding about his future. The only part Sevilla played here was to let him go a year earlier which they were prepared to do because he wasn't a key player for them and Denis also expressed his wish to leave.
I think we haven't done enough to make fan confidence about their club choices developing players. It seems business factor plays a big role and that they make the decision without thinking it thoroughly.
I dont disagree with this but as said in previous post I think our loans in the last 2-3 seasons were mostly positive.
It doesn't mean loans are bad options, I still think it is the way to go for mid-level talent. Those who have a chance here but are doubtful and I think Puig and Alena are that level of talent. But bad loans could really hurt player development and it might take time to rebound from it.
Of course bad loans can hurt players development but can they be all that worse than not playing at all for the first team (Alena) or playing in a league well belove your current level where you can't improve much anymore (Puig)? If players like Denis, Rafinha and Deulofeu got a 2nd or even 3rd chance they shouldn't be affraid they wouldn't come back if they are really as good as people thiink they are and they would prove their quality in another club.
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I'll go a bit OT bellow so sorry for that.
I understand why people are sceptical about loans and basically a lot of things regarding Barça. It's just in cules's nature (like LVG would said Nunca positivo, siempre negativo) to expect the worst before anything even happens. I don't know if that's because it's easier to get through disappointment if/when it actually happens or if people just want to be smart and say "I've told you so". Probably a bit of both.
I was pretty pesimistic too 15 or so years ago, overthinking many things and affraid of what negative might happen. But then after some health related issues I've decided to not worry about things I can't impact and just started to look more positively on the world, including my favourite teams in different team sports (I don't like and follow individual sports too much). It's much easier for me since then. I have zero effect on what Barça board or people responsible for my other favourite teams will do so why would I lose my sleep about this? I still hope they would do most things right but I can't prevent them from making wrong decisions so why would I worry about this? In the end it's just a sport. Will my life in general be much better if my sport teams will win a couple more titles? For a few days maybe but then I'll have to go back to deal with my every day stuff rather than thinking about why those well (over)paid millionairs don't care enough to bring more energy, effort,... to do their job better.
I'm still happy every time we win and disappointed when we don't but I've found ways to get through losses faster and not drag them with me for months/years and expect negative things continuing to happen based on the past experience. Maybe it helped that I've started to follow/support most teams when they were not really at their best or have gone through rough patches in first years of my fandom but they've all been more or less successfull after that (except my MLB team who haven't been in the playoffs for almost 20 years but we're finally making a true rebuild now which gives me hope for a better future) so my expectations were set higher. But when I'm down I'm remembering how I was celebrating Rivaldo's goal that won us 4th place at the time when things were really much worse than they are nowadays. Or that comeback in Paris - I'm still favoring Belletti's goal over any single moment during Pep's tenure here (it's probably only rivaled by Roberto's goal against PSG) - which was followed by two years of disappointments that for me were bigger than anything I've gone through over the last few years. I think most fans got spoiled during Pep's time but on the other hand I've learned to appreciate and value every single win and trophy since then more than I did before. That's why I'm happy if we win "only" La Liga - because this didn't happen regularly before the last decade.
