Miralem Pjanic

Birdy

Senior Member
The way Xavi sets up his midfield a pivot in the mould of Busquets and Pjanic is useless. He need a midfielder who can drop down deep and advance the ball forward as he has our CMs stationed far too high up the field.

That's a valid point, but different discussion.

It has been more than 9 months with Xavi as our coach
We know how he wants to play, and the single pivot is quintessential for his tactics.
And people here are moaning why he doesn't play a double pivot, or even worse why he doesn't play Frenkie as pivot and writing lineups with Frenkie there instead of Busi.

Seriously?
 

ajnotkeith

Senior Member
That's a valid point, but different discussion.

It has been more than 9 months with Xavi as our coach
We know how he wants to play, and the single pivot is quintessential for his tactics.
And people here are moaning why he doesn't play a double pivot, or even worse why he doesn't play Frenkie as pivot and writing lineups with Frenkie there instead of Busi.

Seriously?

If how he wants to play is producing rubbish results then it should be discarded completely, why should people have to frame their criticism into the structure of his tactics?

Managers change tactics all the time and the mark of a good manager is being able to adapt. If he's unable to change his tactics despite it producing subpar performances then he will be on a fast road out of here.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
If how he wants to play is producing rubbish results then it should be discarded completely, why should people have to frame their criticism into the structure of his tactics?

Managers change tactics all the time and the mark of a good manager is being able to adapt. If he's unable to change his tactics despite it producing subpar performances then he will be on a fast road out of here.

He will not change that part, because it's in the essence of how he sees the game.
And mind you top coaches would do the same: Pep wouldn't, Klopp wouldn't.
So, don't be unfair to him.

The tactical plan in general might be flawed, that's a discussion to have.
But only when Xavi goes, playing with a pivot and 2 interiors will change
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Klopp and Pep have both adapted and altered their tactics when something is not working out.

If Xavi want to stay a Barca manager past this year he will likely have to do the same.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Klopp and Pep have both adapted and altered their tactics when something is not working out.

If Xavi want to stay a Barca manager past this year he will likely have to do the same.

No, they haven't changed the essence of their tactical view at all.
They are tweaking details here and there, tweak some roles of certain players, formations sometimes, etc/
Xavi should do the same, oc

but no serious coach alters his tactical principles, unless he doesn't have to begin with
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
No, they haven't changed the essence of their tactical view at all.
They are tweaking details here and there, tweak some roles of certain players, formations sometimes, etc/
Xavi should do the same, oc

but no serious coach alters his tactical principles, unless he doesn't have to begin with

That is what I mean.

Xavi currently is not even doing that.
 

vuji_31

Senior Member
Sure thing is that, we have a lot of decent centrebacks and not single good rightback or leftback.

Try 3-2-4-1, 3-4-3 or something lkke that.

We can play lord Busi and De Jong at same time, plus Araujo, Kounde and Christansen at defense which looks really solid.
 

ajnotkeith

Senior Member
He will not change that part, because it's in the essence of how he sees the game.
And mind you top coaches would do the same: Pep wouldn't, Klopp wouldn't.
So, don't be unfair to him.

The tactical plan in general might be flawed, that's a discussion to have.
But only when Xavi goes, playing with a pivot and 2 interiors will change

Pep and Klopp earned the right to be tactically stubborn, you wouldn't see them drawing or losing at home to Brighton or Bournemouth every other game.

And even they changed their tactics significantly this off season, Pep left his very successful false 9 and bought Haaland when false 9 was one of the core principles of his tactics. The same way Busquets and the single pivot is with Xavi (which is not producing results recently)

The difference being Pep is absolutely dominant domestically and even he changes stuff. We have looked shite since April and haven't changed a thing.

No parallel.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Pep and Klopp earned the right to be tactically stubborn, you wouldn't see them drawing or losing at home to Brighton or Bournemouth every other game.

And even they changed their tactics significantly this off season, Pep left his very successful false 9 and bought Haaland when false 9 was one of the core principles of his tactics. The same way Busquets and the single pivot is with Xavi (which is not producing results recently)

The difference being Pep is absolutely dominant domestically and even he changes stuff. We have looked shite since April and haven't changed a thing.

No parallel.

It took Pep 1 year of frustrating results, despite the strong transfers, to get going.
It took Klopp 2.5 years of frustrating results, + the right transfers to get going.

Every coach, even top, needs some time.
Xavi deserves this year with his transfers and pre-season, and we will judge him at the end
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
It took Pep 1 year of frustrating results, despite the strong transfers, to get going.
It took Klopp 2.5 years of frustrating results, + the right transfers to get going.

Every coach, even top, needs some time.
Xavi deserves this year with his transfers and pre-season, and we will judge him at the end

Bayern fans criticised Pep non stop, and even City fans starting to dislike some of his gameplay in CL.
No coach is immune from criticism tbh, and Xavi choose the "win now" route. He should be judged as such.
 

Catta

Senior Member
If he doesn't fuck up, Xavi should get by the end of the season, but he should be judged according to the expectations. He got every player he asked for, we are one of the top spending clubs this summer. A league title should be the minimum, anything below that is a big failure after the summer we had.
 

Catta

Senior Member
What was the point in keeping him, when he can't even get a game in a friendly. Why did Xavi request for him to stay, doesn't make any sense. Barca doesn't get anything from him staying. Should have tried to sell him sooner, now with the transfer window coming to an end, it is to late to find a club that is interested while getting at least something for him.
 

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