Nelson Semedo

[JamDav1982]

Exactly, at the beginning he was the first choice, until Roberto started playing more and more games, with January being the time from which he really didn't play much anymore.

Roberto is not a RB, at least not a first choice one anyway. Every single time he plays, you know that teams will attack on our right side. That's why he wasn't chosen for Spain.
Yes, he was better at attack, and mind you, it took him a few years to get there, but again, Semedo was also really good in the start of the season. The reason why is exactly the analysis we were trying to do before you came with all your unnecessary comments.

Semedo wasn't chosen at Portugal for lack of constant playing time, again, that's how you grow as a player (I'm telling you this, because it seems to go over your head - lack of playing time: a player doesn't play as well as if he's given consistent playing time to gel with the team, especially a new player), again, Roberto took years to learn how to play with the other players, at least give Semedo a fraction of that.

No he was being rotated as I would bet my bottom dollar he would have been told from start would be the case.

He started in majority of the bigger games until it became clear that Roberto was playing better and offered so much more going forward.

You keep going on about Spain.... when Semedo did not get picked behind weaker full backs for Portugal.

There was no 'analysis'. A youtube video of him in Portugese football is not that.

Semedo got a lot of playing time and was not the best RB at club. Simple as that.

 

[ebieymjunior]

No he was being rotated as I would bet my bottom dollar he would have been told from start would be the case.

He started in majority of the bigger games until it became clear that Roberto was playing better and offered so much more going forward.

You keep going on about Spain.... when Semedo did not get picked behind weaker full backs for Portugal.

There was no 'analysis'. A youtube video of him in Portugese football is not that.

Semedo got a lot of playing time and was not the best RB at club. Simple as that.

I can be as stubborn as you, so here we go.

It became clear that OVERALL, as a right BACK, Semedo was the better, that's why people were complaining about Valverde not playing him. It was evident to all but you apparently.

I'll make it very simple so that you can understand: a right back has to be able to defend well and then also to go forward well. It's evident that Roberto cannot do the former in as high capacity as Semedo (not even a fraction of that), though, because of abundance of playing time, he's been able to get consistently better at going forward.

The hypothesis is that, with more playing time, Semedo would have also been been able to get consistently better at going forward and we wouldn't have been in this current predicament.

As the hypothesis further elaborates (further summarized), people have claimed and others have agreed, that the tactical play of the midfield was lacking. This aspect of the overall play would also have allowed for a better link with the right back in question (i.e. Mr. Nelson Semedo).

 

[JamDav1982]

Nope it didnt.

If Semedo is the better right back he didnt show it this season.

Semedo was average defensively and poor in possession and going forward.

Roberto was not great defensively... actually has better defensive stats... and in different class to Semedo on the ball.

The tactical argument falls down completely when realise both Semedo and Roberto played in same team and one could cope going forward other couldnt.

 

[ebieymjunior]

Nope it didnt.

If Semedo is the better right back he didnt show it this season.

Semedo was average defensively and poor in possession and going forward.

Roberto was not great defensively... actually has better defensive stats... and in different class to Semedo on the ball.

The tactical argument falls down completely when realise both Semedo and Roberto played in same team and one could cope going forward other couldnt.

Well then that's where I stop trying to explain it to you (maybe read the last post a few times as to why that is) and where we agree to disagree.

 

[Joan]

Let me say a word or two.

Note that I held a similar position at the beginning of the season as you. Now I'm not sure if he's the right man for the job.

Exactly, at the beginning he was the first choice, until Roberto started playing more and more games, with January being the time from which he really didn't play much anymore.

This is, of course, true. You basically say: 'he was the first choice until he wasn't'.

In the beginning of the season he played against Juve (2x), Atletico (early sub), Sevilla and Valencia. His playing time reduced due to poor performances vs Valencia and Atletico after which he fell out of favor.

Roberto is not a RB, at least not a first choice one anyway. Every single time he plays, you know that teams will attack on our right side - which should be the main priority of a right back. That's why he wasn't chosen for Spain. Semedo bring tranquility at the back. So OVERALL Semedo was the better right BACK for us.

There was a very interesting stat BBZ posted, we conceded 18 goals in last 9 matches where he played. But we should probably analyze the goals conceded to draw any conclusion.

Semedo hasn't been better for us. That's for sure. Roberto doesn't even have to be a natural RB, look at Kimmich, but he contributes to our game a lot. Firstly, we are a possession team. Sergi's got links and knows the system, but that aside, he's a better passer.

Another important aspect, besides us being a possession team, is that we employed 442. Often narrow system and that width often depended on FBs.

Remember one match, not sure which one, we started with a Semedo-Digne pairing. It didn't go well and Valverde decided to change the FBs despite them not being really poor or anything. Was a smart tactical decision and we went on to win the match.

Roberto hasn't been chosen for Spain since they have better options.

Yes, Roberto was better at attack, and mind you, it took him a few years to get there, but again, Semedo was also really good in the start of the season. The reason why he regressed in that area is exactly the analysis we were trying to do before you came with all your unnecessary comments.

It's not just about attack as I pointed out earlier.

Semedo is not a youngster. We bought him to be our first option RB. He didn't live up to expectations, should we look further or give him another season? That's the question.

Semedo wasn't chosen at Portugal because of lack of consistent playing time, again, that's how you grow as a player (I'm telling you this, because it seems to go over your head - lack of playing time: a player doesn't play as well as if he's given consistent playing time to gel with the team, especially a new player), again, Roberto took years to learn how to play with the other players, at least give Semedo a fraction of that.

Has Semedo shown us that he deserves the club's trust?

He's played a lot, wasn't the most consistent but he wasn't benched or anything to be left out of the squad. I, frankly, don't understand that decision.

 

[ebieymjunior]

Let me say a word or two.

Note that I held a similar position at the beginning of the season as you. Now I'm not sure if he's the right man for the job.

This is, of course, true. You basically say: 'he was the first choice until he wasn't'.

In the beginning of the season he played against Juve (2x), Atletico (early sub), Sevilla and Valencia. His playing time reduced due to poor performances vs Valencia and Atletico after which he fell out of favor.

There was a very interesting stat BBZ posted, we conceded 18 goals in last 9 matches where he played. But we should probably analyze the goals conceded to draw any conclusion.

Semedo hasn't been better for us. That's for sure. Roberto doesn't even have to be a natural RB, look at Kimmich, but he contributes to our game a lot. Firstly, we are a possession team. Sergi's got links and knows the system, but that aside, he's a better passer.

Another important aspect, besides us being a possession team, is that we employed 442. Often narrow system and that width often depended on FBs.

Remember one match, not sure which one, we started with a Semedo-Digne pairing. It didn't go well and Valverde decided to change the FBs despite them not being really poor or anything. Was a smart tactical decision and we went on to win the match.

Roberto hasn't been chosen for Spain since they have better options.



It's not just about attack as I pointed out earlier.

Semedo is not a youngster. We bought him to be our first option RB. He didn't live up to expectations, should we look further or give him another season? That's the question.



Has Semedo shown us that he deserves the club's trust?

He's played a lot, wasn't the most consistent but he wasn't benched or anything to be left out of the squad. I, frankly, don't understand that decision.

Like you said, never base one player on the amount of goals conceded. There are a lot of factors to look into even just something as simple as the players he was paired with. There are many statistics you can watch but that doesn't give the full picture. All I mean is that every time Semedo played, I could see the right side was more covered compared to when Roberto played.

Again, my point in all this is that it didn't happen for Roberto in an instant. He's now 26, and if you'd tell someone last season that he'd be our first choice RB this season, they would have thrown things at you. Give Semedo also that same constant time, and I'm sure he'd do great.

 

[JamDav1982]

Nope thats not how it works.

Players at clubs like Barca should be given playing time on performance and Semedo got more time than any back up RB can expect this season anyway.

Semedo needs to step and show more when he is given the chance.

 

[Joan]

That's the point. Being solid is not enough. You need to deserve the spot.

 

[ebieymjunior]

Nope thats not how it works.

Players at clubs like Barca should be given playing time on performance and Semedo got more time than any back up RB can expect this season anyway.

Semedo needs to step and show more when he is given the chance.

That's the point. Being solid is not enough. You need to deserve the spot.

Oh, there were many times when Semedo deserved to play based on his previous performance, but yet he got bench. Many times.

 

[JamDav1982]

Oh, there were many times when Semedo deserved to play based on his previous performance, but yet he got bench. Many times.

There were many times when he played consecutive games at a level nowhere near what Barca need.

The best player in position will play the most and that was Roberto.

Semedo probably played more than his performances would normally merit over a season.

 

[ebieymjunior]

There were many times when he played consecutive games at a level nowhere near what Barca need.

The best player in position will play the most and that was Roberto.

Semedo probably played more than his performances would normally merit over a season.

That's your opinion. I'll counter with that same statement as related to Roberto.

 

[JamDav1982]

That's your opinion. I'll counter with that same statement as related to Roberto.

100% my opinion you are correct and aware your opinion is opposite.

Easy to see who was better RB this season.

 

[ebieymjunior]

100% my opinion you are correct and aware your opinion is opposite.

Easy to see who was better RB this season.

RB easily Semedo. Player overall I'll agree with you on Roberto, that's why some of the best games this season have been with Semedo at RB and Roberto at CM.

 

[JamDav1982]

Semedos manager at Barca thought Roberto was better, his manager at Portugal doesnt seem to rate him much before or after his move to Barca.

The stats say Roberto was better in defence and in a different class going forward.

The Barca players dont seem all that comfortable with Semedo.

But you can claim him better all you like as all free to an opinion.

 

[Joan]

RB easily Semedo. Player overall I'll agree with you on Roberto, that's why some of the best games this season have been with Semedo at RB and Roberto at CM.

Roma?

There was a great game vs. Betis in which Roberto played as a midfielder. In Rome he played as a winger.