Neymar Jr. - v5

[gasgas]

We don't pay him astronomical wages for him to be the least awful player on the pitch

 

[BBZ8800]

Yeah, it`s pretty weird that people bash him here all the time. Yesterday he was far from worst player on the pitch, he was practically the only one who could create something. In general, he is probably the best player in his position in the world and he is only 24. Maybe second best if you count in declining Penaldo. And he is still some time from his prime years. Despite that, people want to sell him and do what with that money? Buy another mediocre player? Who would we buy with that 200 mil we would get from his transfer? I really can`t think of one player that would be even on his level and especially not better than him.

Although I agree that sometimes his decisions can be frustrating, but you can say that for literally every player on the planet. Even Messi sometimes has a frustrating game. And he is in a league of his own.

I posted a lot of articles in the past.
Scientific studies show that on average fast players like attackers and wingers are on their physical prime around the age 22-25.
After age 26 their physical abilities start to decline.

Neymar will be 25 years old in 3 Months.

So, talks how he is yet to reach his prime are probably wrong.
It is way more likely that he is already at his footballing prime and that we will never see a better Neymar than a current one.
Or even, more likely, that he is already past his personal prime since his physical abilities will slowly decline in the future and his mental motivation is probably already on a wrong way of a hill.

I follow a lot of barca communities online on facebook,Reddit etc and thankfully the thankless and exxagerated negative attitude for neymar is restricted to only here. Won't see such posts much online anywhere else or even in real life.

Because there are more 12-16 year olds on those places, imo.
They usually believe that everything Neymar (or any future star player) does is a pure gold and that we should be just thankful for having him, that he is worth all the money and everything.

Neymar needs to offer way more and that leaders of a team like Barca need to offer way, way more if they want to be a leader of a team like Barca.
If not, there are other teams where he can try to be a leader and we'll eventually try with someone else.

And before you reply: but he was the best yesterday or whatever.
You don't get it.

Yes, he is better than Rakitic, Paco, even maybe Iniesta etc.
But that's not the point.
The level which he is offering is not good enough to compensate 200-300 Millions invested in him and to compensate this whole sporting project around him.

Ibra was good also.
Better than majority of our players here.
But he was NOT GOOD enough for that level which we expected from him and then we moved on and bought a new player for the same position/duty/job.

So, the fact that he is the best player here or how he was the best on a field doesn't mean too much.

Imagine that we want a striker.
And we buy a 200M player to be our key striker.
And then, at the end of a season:
Iniesta scored 5 goals
Rakitic scored 5 goals.
Fc1 (bought for 20 Millions) scored 10 goals.
Fc2 (bought for 20 Millions) scored 12 goals.
And then, a new guy, bought for 200 Millions, scored 14 goals.

I am exaggerating slightly, but with logic from Ney's thread, people would say:
But this guy (from my example, whom we paid 200 Millions)=is the best player of our team, and he scored 14!!! goals, he is the best scorer in our team. Why are you angry?

You see, if a 20M player is scoring 10 or 12 goals, and a 200M guy is scoring "only" 14 goals, then you have to ask yourself: is it worth to keep a 200M guy who will bring only +2 goals more per season than 20M guys? So, 180M difference paid for only 2 goals more. A bad job.
You see, we could have a random 20M striker and he would again score 12 goals, and those 180M could be used for other positions.

That is a problem with Neymar.
He is a WORLD CLASS player.
He is a best player here, when we don't have Messi.

But when you sum it all, he doesn't bring nowhere near enough how much we invested in him.

So, when people ask: why are you mad at him? He is our best player, blah blah...
He is the same as that guy with 14 goals paid 200 Millions.
He is the best, but what he offers is not worth all the money invested in him.

 

[kilian]

I posted a lot of articles in the past.
Scientific studies show that on average fast players like attackers and wingers are on their physical prime around the age 22-25.
After age 26 their physical abilities start to decline.

Neymar will be 25 years old in 3 Months.

So, talks how he is yet to reach his prime are probably wrong.
It is way more likely that he is already at his footballing prime and that we will never see a better Neymar than a current one.
Or even, more likely, that he is already past his personal prime since his physical abilities will slowly decline in the future and his mental motivation is probably already on a wrong way of a hill.

Physical prime does not equal footballing prime. No scientific study can tell you how a football player will perform in his late twenties, but we`ve seen many of them show their best performances exactly at that age. I am not saying that Neymar will for sure be better than today, but you can`t categorically rule out the possibility that he will get better in the mental part of his game with more experience.

Regarding that other part. Yeah, we see how a 30 million striker is performing. In today`s world where James Rodriguez and Higuain are worth 80-90 mil euros, Neymar`s pricetag and contract are not more than he is worth. Quite a few clubs would pay even more, just to have him in their squad.

Unless you want to argue that every single one of them is overpriced, because they just play football. Then I would agree with you, but that`s another discussion.

We pay him crazy amounts of money to make a difference on the pitch and he does that often. Just not as often as Messi. And people want him to be the new Messi, but he will never be that. We are too spoilt by that little Rosario man and that`s why we have so big expectations and hate players that don`t live up to that.

 

[El Flaco]

Neymar's sombrero flick vs. Málaga

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[Mitchell1978]

I posted a lot of articles in the past.
Scientific studies show that on average fast players like attackers and wingers are on their physical prime around the age 22-25.
After age 26 their physical abilities start to decline.

Neymar will be 25 years old in 3 Months.

So, talks how he is yet to reach his prime are probably wrong.
It is way more likely that he is already at his footballing prime and that we will never see a better Neymar than a current one.
Or even, more likely, that he is already past his personal prime since his physical abilities will slowly decline in the future and his mental motivation is probably already on a wrong way of a hill.

Depends what you mean with physical abilities really, explosiveness and raw athleticism probably peaks in men in their early and mid twenties but other things like strength and endurance doesn't. Then there's also decision making which usually improves with age. But you do have a point physically Neymar is probably at his peak but his decision making could continue to improve.

 

[jamrock]

He needs to step it way way up, especially given these crazy wages he is getting, if he stays at the club long term he'll probably be the best paid player in the history of football, given where is wages are currently.

 

[BBZ8800]

Physical prime does not equal footballing prime. No scientific study can tell you how a football player will perform in his late twenties, but we`ve seen many of them show their best performances exactly at that age. I am not saying that Neymar will for sure be better than today, but you can`t categorically rule out the possibility that he will get better in the mental part of his game with more experience.

Each case is unique, but on average players decline physically after the age 26.
You can use your own knowledge and out of 50-100 pacey strikers and wingers in the last 20-30 years, try to find more than 2-3 who were better aged 28 or 30 than themselves aged aged 23.

If you or someone replies: Messi is 29 and he is awesome.
Yes, he is.
But current Messi is a weaker player than Messi aged 23 or 26.
So, he is still awesome, but he is past his prime.
But since he was too good back then, then even now, when he is past his prime, he is still good enough to be the best in the world.

Regarding that other part. Yeah, we see how a 30 million striker is performing. In today`s world where James Rodriguez and Higuain are worth 80-90 mil euros, Neymar`s pricetag and contract are not more than he is worth. Quite a few clubs would pay even more, just to have him in their squad.

Well, Paco is another attempt of buying a cheaper player with high potential, who is a huge risk.
That is clearly a fetish or our new sporting director (since Cancelo is another risky target).
There were tons of better and proven strikers (less risk) for a price 30-50M.
But, if they are aged 26 or 28, people would whine that we haven't bought a player for the next 10 years.
Also, now in a hindsight, we could say that we could have bought several strikers aged 30-33 for 0-5 Millions who would have performed way better than Paco and who would turn out to be better fits right away, and who would cost less money in the end (VanPersie, Mario Gomez etc). There is no way that any older player would play as horrible as Paco is playing currently (with 4 touches per match).
VanPersie with one wooden leg would play a few times better than Paco, because of all of his experience.

But again, they are "short" term solutions, and people would whine.

Depends what you mean with physical abilities really, explosiveness and raw athleticism probably peaks in men in their early and mid twenties but other things like strength and endurance doesn't. Then there's also decision making which usually improves with age. But you do have a point physically Neymar is probably at his peak but his decision making could continue to improve.

Yes.
It works like that.
Over years, your physical abilities get weaker, and your brain gets better (decisions and experience).
But then, if you are a dumb player, unwilling to learn and improve, then over years:
1. your body gets weaker
2. and your decisions remain as equally as dumb

I have a feeling that Neymar will be that kind of a guy, sadly.

 

[Devils]

Putting in a hard shift at training today.

 

[Kuchi]

impossible not to love the guy, after missing a relative sitter with the header in the dying minutes, he posts this to make my inner beliber happy.. FU!

 

[dakt]

Putting in a hard shift at training today.

Who's that girl with Ney?

 

[André]

Bieber

 

[opjeoff]

you guys want him to be sulking after every bad miss? he'd never enjoy his life. ffs he obviously trained properly, stop judging the guy without the full story.

 

[El Flaco]

Putting in a hard shift at training today.

 

[serghei]

The first expensive Barca jersey I ever bought was a Neymar one, this shows how much faith I have in him. But is it too much to ask him to be more consistent ? Can you not see the difference between him in 2015 and him now ? He can be the next thing and we all want it ! This is why we get so upset when he try to dribble 5 players instead of making a simple pass that will create danger. It's not about not taking risks, Messi does that all the time, it's about knowing when to take them. Dude you need to wake up.

I don't know if you noticed, but the team current tactics specifically instruct our players to play it wide for Neymar to try something on his own. We're really abusing that pass now. There is no other possible explanation for why Busquets would refuse to play short ball and instead go for the long pass on the left to Neymar so often.

If this would be just about Neymar being in poor form, he wouldn't have been the leader of Brazil in the 3-0 against Argentina just days before the game vs Malaga. There is clearly something wrong with our tactics, more than it is about one player not performing. Maybe players aren't performing because our tactics and rotations are a bit shit at the moment. It's not just Neymar who is under his level. Suarez as well, Busquets and Rakitic also. Except for Messi and Pique no one is playing very well atm.

 

[hulinat]

is justin his lover now or why is he hangen with him all the time