Neymar vs Ronaldinho

[Laplacian]

This is Ronaldinho "carrying" Barcelona to the CL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKRBB9GCMiI

You are just lying to yourself if you think Neymar hasn't performed at this level and beyond it post-2015. For example, Neymar against Bayern Munich this year was levels above Ronaldinho's performance.

Also several cases of ball hogging against Arsenal in the video, but our nostalgia merchant will have you believe he was a wonderfully effective player and played for the end product only. Literally holding on to the ball in midfield for no reason when he could've just passed the ball to several open playerslmao.

 

[JamDav1982]

No

1998 Zidane
1999 Rivaldo
2000 Figo
2001 Owen
2002 Ronaldo 9
2003 Nedved
2004 Schevchenko
2005 Ronaldinho
2006 Cannavaro
2007 Kaka
2008 Cr7
2009 Messi
2010 Messi
2011 Messi
2012 Messi
2013 Cr7 etc

Henry lost it even in years without World cups and Euros to Owen in 2001 and Nedved 2003.

There is a reason for that.

Henry is another domestic league merchants who couldn't do anything against European big boys in CL Ko matches.

Ronnie was one of the rare guys who could have taken the team on his shoulders and turn them into winners, due to his playingstyle where he wasn't lifting only himself but the whole team.

Bollocks.

Both of them got to the final in 2006 where Henry was the better player in that match and had an assist despite Arsenal being down to ten men for majority of it.

Ronaldinho didnt 'lift' Barca in that game. He was poor and it took Larsson and a tired Arsenal to win that game.

That CL knockouts in 2006 Henry scored the only goal to get past Real, scored and assisted in the QF v Juve and assisted in the final v ten men. More then Ronaldinho did in knock outs.

That was Henry up top with inferior players to Ronaldinho.

Usual BBZ nonsense of 'Ronaldinho could lift teams' and Henry couldnt. Henry had the better CL knockouts in 2006 and most likely only lost final to Barca due to the red card.

Ronaldinho in the 4 years when Barce did not win the CL went out of Europe in last 16 x3 times and the other year he only played in tie they beat Celtic.

If it was today a top player would be getting slaughtered for that record in Europe and how he played in final. Not some idea he was 'lifting Barca on his shoulder to wins in Europe' when he wasnt.

All just revisionist nonsense from BBZ as per usual. If Ronaldinho plays at Barca 5 years and plays past the last 16 in Europe once he was not doing what was claimed. That one year they may not have got past last 16 again if not for Messi and would probably not have won it if not for Valdes/Larrson.

Reality is that in five seasons Ronaldinho was the decisive player in winning probably two European ties for Barca... two.

He was a genius/magician that has some of the most memorable moments going and lifted the direction of club when needed it but that doesnt allow to just make shit up based on myths. Domestically Ronaldinho was the bigger influence than in Europe by far.

 

[jamrock]

Since you know YouTube is the reference point for everything these days because you know people are DUMB & I will never stand for even my own child talking shit about to Ronaldinho especially in reference to Mr I run very fast T.Henry.

I give you YouTube, Ronaldinho literally scored are assisted in EVERY round of the CL, he is basically the SINGLE reason We got to that final.

If you want to see a man actually put a team on his back through the rounds of a knockout competition there you go.

That pass to guily vs milan, the finish OMG football was fun then.

https://youtu.be/XCU-_n0N7hU

Just some STATS in This season in the league he had 18 goals 17 assist.
CL 7 goal, 5 assist.
Finish the season with 26 goals,20 assist.
& 1 billion smiles provided to the world.

T.Herny in that CL season 5 goals 2 assist, as a comparison.

& The YouTube highlight still doesn't give justice to how mind numbingly good he was that season.

 

[jamrock]

Bollocks.

Both of them got to the final in 2006 where Henry was the better player in that match and had an assist despite Arsenal being down to ten men for majority of it.

Ronaldinho didnt 'lift' Barca in that game. He was poor and it took Larsson and a tired Arsenal to win that game.

That CL knockouts in 2006 Henry scored the only goal to get past Real, scored and assisted in the QF v Juve and assisted in the final v ten men. More then Ronaldinho did in knock outs.

That was Henry up top with inferior players to Ronaldinho.

Usual BBZ nonsense of 'Ronaldinho could lift teams' and Henry couldnt. Henry had the better CL knockouts in 2006 and most likely only lost final to Barca due to the red card.

Ronaldinho in the 4 years when Barce did not win the CL went out of Europe in last 16 x3 times and the other year he only played in tie they beat Celtic.

If it was today a top player would be getting slaughtered for that record in Europe and how he played in final. Not some idea he was 'lifting Barca on his shoulder to wins in Europe' when he wasnt.

All just revisionist nonsense from BBZ as per usual. If Ronaldinho plays at Barca 5 years and plays past the last 16 in Europe once he was not doing what was claimed. That one year they may not have got past last 16 again if not for Messi and would probably not have won it if not for Valdes/Larrson.

Reality is that in five seasons Ronaldinho was the decisive player in winning probably two European ties for Barca... two.

He was a genius/magician that has some of the most memorable moments going and lifted the direction of club when needed it but that doesnt allow to just make shit up based on myths. Domestically Ronaldinho was the bigger influence than in Europe by far.

🤣🤣 At better CL knockout in 2006,thats just too funny, wrong af but also funny.

Ronaldinho had a goal or assist in every KO around in 2006, fact. Also a much better group stage to be clear.

Idk how anyone can have a better knockout that someone who scored are assisted in EVERY K.O around in the CL, but enlighten me please.

And please don't say Henry played well against juve & Madrid, because the instant comeback for that is Chelsea & Milan.

Y'all need to stop doing ransom google searches then come back & make post with so much certainty when y'all dont know what you talking about.

If you ever seen South Park that episode with the superhero character "captain hindsight" that's jamdav & lapacian.

 

[jamrock]

If my man dinho had scored/assisted in the final, an argument could be made that he put on the best display in the history of the CL, maybe a few could have matched it but none better.

 

[JamDav1982]

���� At better CL knockout in 2006,thats just too funny, wrong af but also funny.

Ronaldinho had a goal or assist in every KO around in 2006, fact. Also a much better group stage to be clear.

Idk how anyone can have a better knockout that someone who scored are assisted in EVERY K.O around in the CL, but enlighten me please.

And please don't say Henry played well against juve & Madrid, because the instant comeback for that is Chelsea & Milan.

Y'all need to stop doing ransom google searches then come back & make post with so much certainty when y'all dont know what you talking about.

If you ever seen South Park that episode with the superhero character "captain hindsight" that's jamdav & lapacian.

Messi best player in last 16 v Chelsea and Larsson best player in final.

Ronaldinho best CL was 2006 was far from lifting Barca and winning. Was important and had good/genius moments but Messi best player v Chelsea and Ronaldinho was invisible in final v ten men Arsenal.

As said in other four seasons the only team Barca beat in a European knock out tie with Ronaldinho on pitch was.. Celtic.

Folk trying to make out he lifted Barca in Europe is nonsense but did have good CL in 2006 not single handedly doing anything near made out.

Henry did as much to get a poorer Arsenal side to final and was better in final than Ronaldinho with an assist.

 

[JamDav1982]

If my man dinho had scored/assisted in the final, an argument could be made that he put on the best display in the history of the CL, maybe a few could have matched it but none better.

That is fucking about worst argument have ever heard.

There have been countless better CL displays than Ronaldinho in 2006.

Absolute delusion.

IF means nothing anyway. He was poor in final vs ten men. Henry was better that game and needed others to win the day for Barca. That counts.

Two goals and one assist in CL knockouts and poor in final yet made out to be almost all time great individual tournament......

Group stages are nice but knock outs and when heat is on is what top performances are judge on.

Little come back on the other four seasons where one knock out tie vs Celtic.

 

[BBZ8800]

Bollocks.

Both of them got to the final in 2006 where Henry was the better player in that match and had an assist despite Arsenal being down to ten men for majority of it.

Ronaldinho didnt 'lift' Barca in that game. He was poor and it took Larsson and a tired Arsenal to win that game.

That CL knockouts in 2006 Henry scored the only goal to get past Real, scored and assisted in the QF v Juve and assisted in the final v ten men. More then Ronaldinho did in knock outs.

That was Henry up top with inferior players to Ronaldinho.

Usual BBZ nonsense of 'Ronaldinho could lift teams' and Henry couldnt. Henry had the better CL knockouts in 2006 and most likely only lost final to Barca due to the red card.

Ronaldinho in the 4 years when Barce did not win the CL went out of Europe in last 16 x3 times and the other year he only played in tie they beat Celtic.

If it was today a top player would be getting slaughtered for that record in Europe and how he played in final. Not some idea he was 'lifting Barca on his shoulder to wins in Europe' when he wasnt.

All just revisionist nonsense from BBZ as per usual. If Ronaldinho plays at Barca 5 years and plays past the last 16 in Europe once he was not doing what was claimed. That one year they may not have got past last 16 again if not for Messi and would probably not have won it if not for Valdes/Larrson.

Reality is that in five seasons Ronaldinho was the decisive player in winning probably two European ties for Barca... two.

He was a genius/magician that has some of the most memorable moments going and lifted the direction of club when needed it but that doesnt allow to just make shit up based on myths. Domestically Ronaldinho was the bigger influence than in Europe by far.

Why are you talking only about 2006's final match?
Can you explain why lord Henry couldn't do anything in other 7-8 years at Arsenal, even though it was a 2-horse league back then (Man Utd and Arsenal) for 10 years?

Also, what are you talking about Ronaldinho and several CL exits?
2004: we played Uefa cup
2005: we played against Chelsea, lost 2:4 away, Ronaldinho was the only player who actually came to the match, lol
2006:
1) round of 16 vs Chelsea:
we won 1:2 in London and needed to keep that result at home.
We played 1:1 at home with Ronnie scoring for 1:0 with a solo action and a goal in the minute 78 to kill the tie
2) quarters vs Benfica
0:0 in the first lef
We had to win at home, Ronnie opened the scoring in the 19th minute and we won 2:0 in the end.
3) semis vs finalists from 2005: Ac Milan.
We won 0:1 at San Siro, the only goal at the tie, after Ronnie's assist to Guily (and his wonder strike)
4) a final = Ronnie was meh
2007) we lost to Liverpool in the round of 16
2008) he didn't even play due to an injury.

So, in his time at Barca, he played 3 CL campaigns:
1) was the one-man team in 2005 when we lost vs Chelsea 2:4
2) the best player and a key player in all matches except at the final of 2006, when we won
3) meh in 2007

How can that be compared to Henry:
2001: quarters
2002: -- group stage
2003: -- group stage
2004: quarters
2005: round of 16
2006: final
2007: round of 16 (psv)

Who had 7 CL attempts with Arsenal and managed to get pass quarters only once.
Unreal player. Unreal.

 

[jamrock]

Messi best player in last 16 v Chelsea and Larsson best player in final.

Ronaldinho best CL was 2006 was far from lifting Barca and winning. Was important and had good/genius moments but Messi best player v Chelsea and Ronaldinho was invisible in final v ten men Arsenal.

As said in other four seasons the only team Barca beat in a European knock out tie with Ronaldinho on pitch was.. Celtic.

Folk trying to make out he lifted Barca in Europe is nonsense but did have good CL in 2006 not single handedly doing anything near made out.

Henry did as much to get a poorer Arsenal side to final and was better in final than Ronaldinho with an assist.

So basically your were talking out your ass & you are now back tracking to make sense of the crap you said earlier. Lol

Sounding a lot more rational after you definitive speak oh HENRY WAS THE better player blah blah without actually knowing what happened are we. Lol

Messi was definitely great in that Chelsea game

Ronaldinho 1 assist for the terry own goal
1 goal at home, without him we don't beat Chelsea. Facts.

Pretty without him we don't win any of the games in the K.O stages.

Who scored & assisted vs Chelsea, you guessed in dinho

What about benifca yep Ronaldinho

What about Milan oh yea it's that Ronaldinho guy again.

These are the facts, Contributed to half our goals that in the CL, 2nd leading goal scorer, tied most assist.

Only negative anyone can possibly come with was that he didn't have the best final & the people who say that are the ones who weren't fully aware of the fact that the Man LITERALLY as much as anyone in the history of the competition single handedly brought his team to the final.

I won't even debate this anyone is just stupid how good he was on that run for anyone who actually saw the games.

 

[JamDav1982]

You are the one that claimed Ronaldinho 'lifts team to be winners in Europe' then dont like it being pointed out that in four of five seasons Barca won one knock out tie v Celtic.

Henry in that one season knock outs was just as good as imortant to Arsenal as Ronaldinho was to Barca and turned up in final.

You spoke shite about Ronaldinho and how he 'lifted' Barca to winners.

Interesting how games like Benfica are narrated as if Ronaldinho 'lifted' Barca despite him missing a pen and Etoo getting a goal and assist in that game. Setting up Ronaldinho more or less tap in.

Gone from 'Ronaldinho lifted Barca to winners in Europe' to reasons he actually didnt.

Outwith 2006 Barca won one knock out tie in Europe with Ronaldinho.. vs Celtic in 2008. That is a fact.

2006
Last 16 - Messi Barca most important player in that tie. See what Mourinho has to say. Good goal from Ronaldinho to help in second leg but Messi the decisive player there.
QF - At home to Benfica.. Indeed Ronaldinho scored.. after he missed a pen. Who set up the fairly simple goal in that game? Etoo who then went on to score a second ending tie. Etoo decisive player.
Semi - Unreal assist from Ronaldinho. Can agree decisive player there.
Final - Invisible v ten men. Can take pick of many players more decisive in that game.

 

[JamDav1982]

So basically your were talking out your ass & you are now back tracking to make sense of the crap you said earlier. Lol

Sounding a lot more rational after you definitive speak oh HENRY WAS THE better player blah blah without actually knowing what happened are we. Lol

Messi was definitely great in that Chelsea game

Ronaldinho 1 assist for the terry own goal
1 goal at home, without him we don't beat Chelsea. Facts.

Pretty without him we don't win any of the games in the K.O stages.

Who scored & assisted vs Chelsea, you guessed in dinho

What about benifca yep Ronaldinho

What about Milan oh yea it's that Ronaldinho guy again.

These are the facts, Contributed to half our goals that in the CL, 2nd leading goal scorer, tied most assist.

Only negative anyone can possibly come with was that he didn't have the best final & the people who say that are the ones who weren't fully aware of the fact that the Man LITERALLY as much as anyone in the history of the competition single handedly brought his team to the final.

I won't even debate this anyone is just stupid how good he was on that run for anyone who actually saw the games.

Nope no backtracking on anything.

Henry was similar in impact to Ronaldinho in getting Arsenal to final and had better game in final.

Ronaldinho was the decisive player for Barca in one knock out round in 2006.. v Milan. Played well in other games though just not the best.

Benfica? Game where Etoo set up Ronaldinhos tap in after Ronaldinho missed a pen. Then Etoo went on to end tie with a second. Aye.. that Benfica.

Last 16 Messi most important player
Last 8 Etoo
Semi Ronaldinho
Final Etoo/Valdes or Larsson.

He had a good CL. His Milan moment was hugely important and best player in that knock out tie only.

Absolutely nowhere near and all time great CL. Nonsense.

 

[jamrock]

We should also not forget how Villarreal played arsenal off the park in the SF & henry was 10x as invisible in that game than anything dinho did in the final, once Villarreal figured out how to guard against his pace he was a non factor.

Damn that Villarreal team was good too, I should find that team on YOUTUBE to enducate the youngsters.

& People should stop talking about the red card as if it wasn't fully deserved, but even then arsenal had some real shots on goal.VALDES never fails in the big moments tho.

Memories, that CL run was so epic.

 

[jamrock]

Nope no backtracking on anything.

Henry was similar in impact to Ronaldinho in getting Arsenal to final and had better game in final.

Ronaldinho was the decisive player for Barca in one knock out round in 2006.. v Milan. Played well in other games though just not the best.

Benfica? Game where Etoo set up Ronaldinhos tap in after Ronaldinho missed a pen. Then Etoo went on to end tie with a second. Aye.. that Benfica.

He had a good CL. His Milan moment was hugely important and best player in that knock out tie only.

Absolutely nowhere near and all time great CL. Nonsense.

All of a sudden Mr stats & facts is ignoring Ronaldinho goals & assist vs Chelsea, you know the things that makes a difference in football & his goal against Benfica.

I love it, when people reach out for straws lol.

I'm assuming you are old enough to have seen those badxa games though are maybe you weren't a fan yet.

 

[JamDav1982]

We should also not forget how Villarreal played arsenal off the park in the SF & henry was 10x as invisible in that game than anything dinho did in the final, once Villarreal figured out how to guard against his pace he was a non factor.

Damn that Villarreal team was good too, I should find that team on YOUTUBE to enducate the youngsters.

& People should stop talking about the red card as if it wasn't fully deserved, but even then arsenal had some real shots on goal.VALDES never fails in the big moments tho.

Memories, that CL run was so epic.

Henry like Ronaldinho had quiet games that CL run. Happens.

Trying to make out Ronaldinho was some serial winner who lifted Barca on his back to win games is nonsense.

The red card was fully justified... the point Barca/Ronaldinho had that numerical advantage from there and yet he was still invisible.

Absolute shite like '10x invisible' shows how irrational and argument it is.

 

[jamrock]

Miss was the MOST important 🤣🤣🤣, when they are making up metrics to measure performances by, you know they talking crap.

Messi had an excellent first leg against Chelsea, Ronaldinho by actually scoring & assist, was the Most Important if that's the mextric we want to use now, whatever that means.

Mr Big shot eto'o definitely played a big part in our run, no on can deny that, but Ronaldinho was consistently the best player, from the first group game to the SF, this is an undeniable fact.