Ousmane Dembélé

[behindbrowneyes]

Football is a hard business. Nobody has something to gift in private business. Everyone tries to get the best deal for himself. There is no room for gratitude in today's footballers brains with their agents being in their head all the time. Barto tried to sell fans the idea that expensive footballers "only wanted Barca". Now we know why they only wanted Barca. THey only wanted Barca because Barca paid literally "everything".

Of course, we fans have a different view on things. Dembele should be grateful that Barca always supported him during his injuries. But that's not the case and at this point with all the smoke around our medical staff it can't even be said by guarantee that Barca isn't in part responsible for Dembele being injured that often.

Does Dembele deserve more money for what he has shown at the club so far? lol no. The problem though is - and that is why the club is even considering paying him more money - who are the alternatives and what do they cost? There are clubs behind him that are willing to pay a sign-on fee and a higher salary just because of the fact that he is for free. No negotiation with the club needed and no transfer fee. With all his mistakes and injuries, you rarely get a player for free with his talent.

In addition to Barca very likely not being the "highest bidder" for Dembele, it is even more questionable if Barca is the best sporting project out of all the interested clubs. I doubt it, but we'll see. At this point Dembele is a gamble for every club with his injury record and the money involved.

 

[Birdy]

Unleash the Bayern breaker:

 

[Devils]

Bloody Goyard with the Patek.

That's a check.

Bayern about to get murked.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Its time to show the world he is better than Mbappe!

 

[Porque]

Football is a hard business. Nobody has something to gift in private business. Everyone tries to get the best deal for himself. There is no room for gratitude in today's footballers brains with their agents being in their head all the time. Barto tried to sell fans the idea that expensive footballers "only wanted Barca". Now we know why they only wanted Barca. THey only wanted Barca because Barca paid literally "everything".

Of course, we fans have a different view on things. Dembele should be grateful that Barca always supported him during his injuries. But that's not the case and at this point with all the smoke around our medical staff it can't even be said by guarantee that Barca isn't in part responsible for Dembele being injured that often.

Does Dembele deserve more money for what he has shown at the club so far? lol no. The problem though is - and that is why the club is even considering paying him more money - who are the alternatives and what do they cost? There are clubs behind him that are willing to pay a sign-on fee and a higher salary just because of the fact that he is for free. No negotiation with the club needed and no transfer fee. With all his mistakes and injuries, you rarely get a player for free with his talent.

In addition to Barca very likely not being the "highest bidder" for Dembele, it is even more questionable if Barca is the best sporting project out of all the interested clubs. I doubt it, but we'll see. At this point Dembele is a gamble for every club with his injury record and the money involved.

Good post.

If we let Messi leave because of salary demands then of course we will let Dembele.

Just to talk of the highlighted part. Dembele for example has played less minutes over more seasons and has scored as many league goals (well just 1 more) as Vinicius Jr for example. And Vinicius couldn't even hit the net until this season.

So Barcelona should at least be able to find a more reliable and productive player. They probably won't find a more flashy or explosive player, but those are things that sell to the eyes and not to the results.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Dembele should be grateful that Barca always supported him during his injuries. But that's not the case and at this point with all the smoke around our medical staff it can't even be said by guarantee that Barca isn't in part responsible for Dembele being injured that often.

Dembele healthiest season was under the fired medical team which caused a lot of problems, the current/new one is basically the older one whom he had ton of injuries with and was the only player along Umtiti to have problems with them. Umtiti actually didn't listen to them so can't blame them for the injuries.
In addition, many of current players had issues recently with Dr.Cugat whom we had long standing relationships with, but Cugat is more specialised in knee surgeries and Dembele was dealing with the top doctors in Europe who operated him in Finland.

If he sees us as part of his injury problems then he should man up and ask to leave in January, he is one brutal injury away from having a Victor Oladipo type of loss (turning 112m, to get 2M after getting re-injured)

 

[jairzinho]

Imagine if he leaves and never has injury problems again.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Imagine if he leaves and never has injury problems again.

thats something which isnt so unlikely, sometimes its like a course which will go away when you change the team

 

[behindbrowneyes]

Good post.

If we let Messi leave because of salary demands then of course we will let Dembele.

Just to talk of the highlighted part. Dembele for example has played less minutes over more seasons and has scored as many league goals (well just 1 more) as Vinicius Jr for example. And Vinicius couldn't even hit the net until this season.

So Barcelona should at least be able to find a more reliable and productive player. They probably won't find a more flashy or explosive player, but those are things that sell to the eyes and not to the results.

In the case of Messi I still believe it was more of a legal issue than not wanting to meet his demands. Of course, not having the money was an issue too, but imo there was just no way to register him with CVC. Don't really know what extending Dembele's contract now has to do with fitting him into current salary cap. I guess there are ways around it like paying him his current salary until the end of the season and a higher fee after it. Our salary cap will very likely rise next summer, so it will be more of not wanting than not being able to make a competitive offer. But making a competitive offer is an issue and threatening to the newly introduced performance-based salaries. The case of Dembele and his ending contract is the worst case scenario and club needs to do everything to avoid repeating it with player like Araujo.

I agree that the club should be able to find a more reliable and productive player. But finding a more reliable player on paper and said player being more productive/reliable are two different pair of shoes. On top of that, looking at current squad, is one new winger instead of Dembele even enough? Luuk, Aguero and Demir will be gone in the summer. We will get money for Trincao or he'll return, but the question remains: Is it enough with the addition of one player like, let's say, Ferran?

Club needs to be smart here and make a decision. There is a reason why the club, from Laporta to Xavi, is buttering Dembele up. Getting a decent enough replacement will cost the club 40-50M transfer fee + salary. Extending Dembele will cost a sign-on fee + a potential higher salary. What Dembele did cost the club in the past shouldn't play a role in this decision. I mean, given how Barto structured payment the club is still paying some installments to BVB for him, but given the contractual situation it can be already considered sunk cost. So everything considered, extending Dembele's contract very likely will be cheaper for the club than 40-50M + salary for his replacement. And I don't mean Ferran, but an additional player in case Trincao gets bought by Wolves and Dembouz leaves on a free.

I doubt Dembele becoming miraculously becoming much less injury-prone now and I'd prefer Ferran + Mister X. instead of Dembele, but the problem is there are some other issues in the squad we need to address and spending transfer fees on two wingers won't be in the budget if we want to strenghten other positions too.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

Media pinning it on Dembele leaving because of his greed.

To be fair he is hardly worth the pay rise.

Big issue that he wont even renew so we can get a transfer fee as his agent knows that in that situation he wont get the same signing on fee.

Mbappe and Dembele leaving the same way in the same summer, big sign on fees one way or another.

Could it be the start of a trend of more player power?

Shorter contracts and playing the field for the biggest wage bump and sign on fee rather than big transfers?

Nah better to have job security unless you are Messi mpabbe or halaand

 

[feggydinho]

Football is a hard business. Nobody has something to gift in private business. Everyone tries to get the best deal for himself. There is no room for gratitude in today's footballers brains with their agents being in their head all the time. Barto tried to sell fans the idea that expensive footballers "only wanted Barca". Now we know why they only wanted Barca. THey only wanted Barca because Barca paid literally "everything".

Of course, we fans have a different view on things. Dembele should be grateful that Barca always supported him during his injuries. But that's not the case and at this point with all the smoke around our medical staff it can't even be said by guarantee that Barca isn't in part responsible for Dembele being injured that often.

Does Dembele deserve more money for what he has shown at the club so far? lol no. The problem though is - and that is why the club is even considering paying him more money - who are the alternatives and what do they cost? There are clubs behind him that are willing to pay a sign-on fee and a higher salary just because of the fact that he is for free. No negotiation with the club needed and no transfer fee. With all his mistakes and injuries, you rarely get a player for free with his talent.

In addition to Barca very likely not being the "highest bidder" for Dembele, it is even more questionable if Barca is the best sporting project out of all the interested clubs. I doubt it, but we'll see. At this point Dembele is a gamble for every club with his injury record and the money involved.

I'm pretty sure Dembele's agent and family would be urging him to get the highest salary he can in Barca or any other top club (funny enough, I would've done the same if I was associated with him), so it's best we start looking for alternatives cause Dembele seems to have the cards in his hand right now, it can only shift if he injures again

 

[serghei]

Football is a hard business. Nobody has something to gift in private business. Everyone tries to get the best deal for himself. There is no room for gratitude in today's footballers brains with their agents being in their head all the time. Barto tried to sell fans the idea that expensive footballers "only wanted Barca". Now we know why they only wanted Barca. THey only wanted Barca because Barca paid literally "everything".

Of course, we fans have a different view on things. Dembele should be grateful that Barca always supported him during his injuries. But that's not the case and at this point with all the smoke around our medical staff it can't even be said by guarantee that Barca isn't in part responsible for Dembele being injured that often.

Does Dembele deserve more money for what he has shown at the club so far? lol no. The problem though is - and that is why the club is even considering paying him more money - who are the alternatives and what do they cost? There are clubs behind him that are willing to pay a sign-on fee and a higher salary just because of the fact that he is for free. No negotiation with the club needed and no transfer fee. With all his mistakes and injuries, you rarely get a player for free with his talent.

In addition to Barca very likely not being the "highest bidder" for Dembele, it is even more questionable if Barca is the best sporting project out of all the interested clubs. I doubt it, but we'll see. At this point Dembele is a gamble for every club with his injury record and the money involved.

His talent is overstated. That's the conclusion I've arrived at after giving him tons of chances. He's a street player, can't build anything with a player who goes up and down on a whim all the time. To build a solid team you need 100% professionalism and consistency above all.

Let him go for free and move on. Only Coutinho left out of Barto's Magic Trio. The biggest flop of them all.

But I'll tell you what. Play him hard until the end of the season. If he's having a great output and stays fit maybe reconsider letting him go. Doubt any of those will happen.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

BMT(Barto Magic Trio) almost replaced MSN

 

[DonAK]

His talent is overstated. That's the conclusion I've arrived at after giving him tons of chances. He's a street player, can't build anything with a player who goes up and down on a whim all the time. To build a solid team you need 100% professionalism and consistency above all.

Let him go for free and move on. Only Coutinho left out of Barto's Magic Trio. The biggest flop of them all.

I came to that conclusion a while ago. He's simply not very talented. Without his pace he has nothing to lean back on as his technique is inconsistent at best, mediocre if you want to use that term...

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

I came to that conclusion a while ago. He's simply not very talented. Without his pace he has nothing to lean back on as his technique is inconsistent at best, mediocre if you want to use that term...

he has the magical unbelievable talent to play with both feet