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BBZ8800

BBZ8800

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Played 849 La liga minutes under Lucho.
And 695 La liga minutes under EV.
Started 8 times under EV.
And only 6 times under Lucho.

Yet, EV is an idiot and didn't use him properly.
While Lucho used him in the same way.

Yet, no words about Lucho.
Because that way people would basically confess that our problems are bigger than EV and existed before EV.

But that would kill people's hope that everything is simple and everything will be fine after EV.

So funny.
 
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serghei

serghei

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BBZ8800 said:
Played 849 La liga minutes under Lucho.
And 695 La liga minutes under EV.
Started 8 times under EV.
And only 6 times under Lucho.

Yet, EV is an idiot and didn't use him properly.
While Lucho used him in the same way.

Yet, no words about Lucho.
Because that way people would basically confess that our problems are bigger than EV and existed before EV.

But that would kill people's hope that everything is simple and everything will be fine after EV.

So funny.
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At least Lucho had peak MSN firing on all levels. And it's not like Lucho was some sort of great manager either. Roma fired him after a season after all.

You're making up ghosts so you can fight them in your posts again?

Nobody said EV is the only problem of the team. But you start with the begining. Firing a shit manager is always the first brick towards the rebuilding of this team. Every player you bring and put in the service of this clown is only going to get worse. Griezmann and De Jong have already started their decline in form and performances.

Coutinho, Semedo, Dembele, Griezmann, De Jong, Malcom, the list will never end and will grow more and more. Every new signing no matter how good will probably fail under the tutelage of mr. Ernesto 'it is what it is' Valverde.
 
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FinBarcelonafan

FinBarcelonafan

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BBZ8800 said:
Played 849 La liga minutes under Lucho.
And 695 La liga minutes under EV.
Started 8 times under EV.
And only 6 times under Lucho.

Yet, EV is an idiot and didn't use him properly.
While Lucho used him in the same way.

Yet, no words about Lucho.
Because that way people would basically confess that our problems are bigger than EV and existed before EV.

But that would kill people's hope that everything is simple and everything will be fine after EV.

So funny.
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He was back up to MSN.... The best trio in the world. Of course he didn't play.
 
BBZ8800

BBZ8800

Senior Member
So, wait:
Lucho had MSN who played bad in the last 18 Months and were behind RM and Paco hadn't played much even though our results were bad.

EV had:
Messi, Suarez, Dembele, Deulofeu, Paco in the autumn of 2017.
And Messi, Suarez, Coutinho, Dembele, Paco in a spring of 2018.
And he played 442, successfully, where there is even less free spots for Paco.

My point: Ev has obviously done a lot of mistakes.
But you guys are multiplying it by like 20×.

For example:
Roma=EV's fault. True
Anfield= EV's fault. True
We are playing slow and ugly=EV's fault. True.

On the other hand, what you guys are doing currently also is:
1. It has been raining for 2 days in Barca in September= EV's fault.
2. My girlfriend has cheated on me=EV's fault. It has to be. Everything in the world is EV's fault.
3. I have ordered a pizza in my favorite restaurant yesterday and pizza tasted meh=EV's fault. This has never happened before.

These last few posts about magnificent Paco and revisionism about his days at Barca where he was actually "good" and ruined by a coach are on the level of posts about rain and pizza in Barcelona.

Kisses and hugs
 
Lapi

Lapi

Member
BBZ8800 said:
Lucho had MSN who played bad in the last 18 Months
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So they played "bad" in their last one and a half years? Are you sure?

Wouldn't it be the proper time to find your trusty almanac and look up how many goals the MSN actually scored in that BAD period?
 
BBZ8800

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Lapi said:
So they played "bad" in their last one and a half years? Are you sure?

Wouldn't it be the proper time to find your trusty almanac and look up how many goals the MSN actually scored in that BAD period?
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Playing good and bad is subjective.
Msn had 10+ points advantage in 2016/17 and almost blew everything.
We lost 11 points in March and April in 4 consecutive rounds:
20 March: Villareal: Barca 2:2
2 April: Barca:Real 1:2
5 April CL: Barcelona:Atletico 2:1
9 April: Sociedad:Barca 1:0
13 April CL: Atletico:Barcelona 2:0
17 April: Barcelona:Valencia 1:2

In 30 days, in 6 matches in a row:
1. We managed to get kicked out from a CL
2. We lost 11 points in La Liga, lol

So, imo, we played very bad in terms of results.
We were awesome in the first part of 2015/16.
And horrible in a spring of 2016.

We barely managed to win La liga, going from +10 points advantage to a 1 point in the end.

In the 2016/17, we were 3 points behind RM.
So, basically, in spring 2016 and in 2016/17 season, in total, we were around 12-13 points behind RM.
Even though we had a mighty MSN.

Then two things happened:
1. We lost Neymar
2. And hired the worst coach in a history
= and suddenly managed to win 2 La Ligas in a row with a team who was 13 points behind RM in 18 Months prior to that.

Speechless.
Unreal.
Stunning.

And now reading this shit in this topic where even not playing a crappy Paco is EV's sin.

Stunning.
 
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behindbrowneyes

behindbrowneyes

Well-known member
You could always see that Paco is a decent striker if you use him to his strenghts.

Barcelona more or less relies on individual strenghts of their players, especially when it comes to strikers. Paco is not great technically and is not a physical monster. Put him into a well-oiled machine like Dortmund and he'll score you lots of goals though. His finishing is clinical, he moves well off the ball and has footballing IQ.

He is just not special enough to make it at a club like Barcelona, but he is a good striker and way too good to be a back-up for Suárez. He can have a decent career and even succeed in the Spanish national team.
 
Lapi

Lapi

Member
BBZ8800 said:
Playing good and bad is subjective.
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That is a true statement.

So, imo, we played very bad in terms of results.
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This one belongs to the IMPOSSIBLE category.
Why? Because just as you've said above, playing good or bad is SUBJECTIVE.

Aren't out there good results with very fortunate wins? Is it a rare occurrence that the better team loses for some small mistake, etc?
Or the opposite: Did it not happen the worse team luckily wins something important?

Yeeees, it happens all the time, thus you're very contradictory with your two statements, as RESULTS have nothing to do with good or bad playing.
Sometimes the better loses, other times the worse wins. It's in the nature of the game.

Therefore when you state the MSN played "bad" for 18 months, you contradict the most basic statistics, namely how many goals the trio had produced in that period.
You may say "they weren't able to stand out at crucial moments and games" which would be true, but scoring 116 goals a season is usually NOT bad playing.
 
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Mitchell1978

Senior Member
behindbrowneyes said:
You could always see that Paco is a decent striker if you use him to his strenghts.

Barcelona more or less relies on individual strenghts of their players, especially when it comes to strikers. Paco is not great technically and is not a physical monster. Put him into a well-oiled machine like Dortmund and he'll score you lots of goals though. His finishing is clinical, he moves well off the ball and has footballing IQ.

He is just not special enough to make it at a club like Barcelona, but he is a good striker and way too good to be a back-up for Suárez. He can have a decent career and even succeed in the Spanish national team.
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good analysis, he's thriving in Dortmund, good for him
 
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gregorrin10

Senior Member
Just scored again and Eurosport commentators just being amazed and dumbfounded at how a player of his proven scoring calibre didn't get a chance at Barca. And rightly so. Even though we play a much different style and Dortmund really play to Paco's strengths a lot, don't tell me a capable manager and Board with a clear system and plan on how to play wouldn't have found a place in their team for such a clinical striker such as Paco. He would've been the perfect plan B for us, and with his Dortmund form he'd even easily bench Suarez. That is, if we had a manager and a system where who plays and how much actually depend on performances, not on name or if he's friends with Messi or how much he's liked by the seniors in general.

As for Paco (like Malcom), he just wasn't flashy enough for our Board. Watch him score twice next week though. And I actually hope he does and rubs it in Bartomeu's fuck face.
 
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