Pep Guardiola

[Cule4life]

Playing him in meaningless matches may have heightened the clause but it would not have kept him happy.

There is no way they could keep four players of that ability happy.

If u cant keep players happy then you cant be pissed off that they want to leave.

 

[Galning]

They cant just give him a higher clause. He and his agent have a say in the contract and this will have been their demand no the club.

And this is also Pep's fault or not?
If they wanted him more they could've given him more minutes and his clause would've gone up anyways. Or they could've given him more money, made him a promise, blablabla I don't know how these contract negotiations go. Of course the clause was a demand of Thiago, I would ask one as well if I were him, but FC Barcelona were there when they offered him that contract no? Now acting like "Zomfg why is he leaving for only 18M?" is a bit too late.

 

[DonAndres]

The old school Boixos Nois doesn't exist the way it used to anyways.

For the time being, we shouldn't associate with Pep. Pep has shown his true colors by his own actions.

Rosell still has to work to do this summer, I never said he was doing a great job. Acquiring Neymar was a good step in the right direction though.

I still have my reservations about Tito too. I'm very happy to see Enrique back in Spain and close to the club with the Rafinha loan just in case we have to go another direction after this season.

Pep hasn't shown any true colors or acted like a turd towards Barca. It's just opened the eyes to some people that he actually is at another club now and is working for their best interests, not Barca's. Don't be butthurt or bitter about that fact and completely shun him off entirely, I don't like it any more than you that he left and is now not on our side but he's still part of Barca's blood and deserves admiration and respect for what he's done and who he is as a football legend.

I'd be all for bringing Lucho back to the club but he was a supporter of Laporta, so it's not as easy as you'd think to bring him back under Rosell. If the club called Enrique back, I'm sure he wouldn't actually think twice before saying yes because of how huge an opportunity it would be, regardless of Rosell. However Rosell himself might favor putting someone more loyal to him in that position (Roura, Rubi?) over Luis Enrique.

 

[JamDav1982]

And this is also Pep's fault or not?
If they wanted him more they could've given him more minutes and his clause would've gone up anyways. Or they could've given him more money, made him a promise, blablabla I don't know how these contract negotiations go. Of course the clause was a demand of Thiago, I would ask one as well if I were him, but FC Barcelona were there when they offered him that contract no? Now acting like "Zomfg why is he leaving for only 18M?" is a bit too late.

Its Peps fault to the extent that there are too many CMs to keep happy. That is part of the problem without a doubt, but many other people take the blame also.

I agree they could have given him more meaningless games and increased his clause which would have got more money from his sale but he still would have looked to leave. You cant keep all four of them happy.

Of course they were there when the club was negotiating the contract but the power is in the hands of the player when it comes to those demands.

 

[JamDav1982]

Pep hasn't shown any true colors or acted like a turd towards Barca. It's just opened the eyes to some people that he actually is at another club now and is working for their best interests, not Barca's. Don't be butthurt or bitter about that fact and completely shun him off entirely, I don't like it any more than you that he left and is now not on our side but he's still part of Barca's blood and deserves admiration and respect for what he's done and who he is as a football legend.

I'd be all for bringing Lucho back to the club but he was a supporter of Laporta, so it's not as easy as you'd think to bring him back under Rosell. If the club called Enrique back, I'm sure he wouldn't actually think twice before saying yes because of how huge an opportunity it would be, regardless of Rosell. However Rosell himself might favor putting someone more loyal to him in that position (Roura, Rubi?) over Luis Enrique.

This Rossel only chooses people close to him and loyal and wont choose anyone who worked under Laporta is pure guess work by you.

Rossel had no part in Enrique leaving in the first place.

You seem to forget that the members by and large sick of Laporta by the time he left and Rossel was voted in fair and square by those same members.

 

[Cruijffista]

If Thiago wants to go, let him go. There's other options out there. He's a good player but somebody like Oliver Torres could come in and fill that spot.

It's the way Pep is going about it which doesn't sit right with me.

Respect is a 2-way street. Pep still needs to respect Barca for what we did for him.

 

[Galning]

Its Peps fault to the extent that there are too many CMs to keep happy. That is part of the problem without a doubt, but many other people take the blame also.

I agree they could have given him more meaningless games and increased his clause which would have got more money from his sale but he still would have looked to leave. You cant keep all four of them happy.

Of course they were there when the club was negotiating the contract but the power is in the hands of the player when it comes to those demands.

It's the current manager's task to deal with it. If he can't then Pep is not to blame. Pep had no problems with keeping both Cesc & Thiago happy, it seems. It is of course true, as I've said numerous times by now, that Pep plays a part in this saga now. But he is not the core of the problem.
Well if his buy-out clause was 90M you could've sold him for the price you wanted and the departure would feel less awkward that way. Also because then it would be the decision of the club. Now they are taking no decision and people start blaming the other clubs and/or people who are trying to buy him. That makes no sense.

 

[Yugi]

well at least Pep is not Cruyff in his comments

but Pep

 

[JamDav1982]

It's the current manager's task to deal with it. If he can't then Pep is not to blame. Pep had no problems with keeping both Cesc & Thiago happy, it seems. It is of course true, as I've said numerous times by now, that Pep plays a part in this saga now. But he is not the core of the problem.
Well if his buy-out clause was 90M you could've sold him for the price you wanted and the departure would feel less awkward that way also because then it would be the decision of the club. Now they are taking no decision and people start blaming the other clubs and/or people who are trying to buy him. That makes no sense.

Pep takes part of the blame for there being too many midfielders.

You are right it is the managers task to manage the situation - which as I said is an impossible one to keep them all happy.

Pep kept them happy by playing a formation that allowed them both to play more. That formation did not work in the end and they have reverted back to 4-3-3.

It was a different situation and added to that Thiago was a year younger and Cesc was in hid first year at the club they were less likely to be as vocal about being unhappy anyway.

 

[Cruijffista]

It's the current manager's task to deal with it. If he can't then Pep is not to blame. Pep had no problems with keeping both Cesc & Thiago happy, it seems. It is of course true, as I've said numerous times by now, that Pep plays a part in this saga now. But he is not the core of the problem.
Well if his buy-out clause was 90M you could've sold him for the price you wanted and the departure would feel less awkward that way. Also because then it would be the decision of the club. Now they are taking no decision and people start blaming the other clubs and/or people who are trying to buy him. That makes no sense.

Pep played Cesc out of position for a whole season.

Tito moved Cesc back to the midfield and for the first half of the season he looked dynamic. He got injured and didn't come back as dynamic. Was forced to play the False 9 role because Messi got injured to finish the season. Cesc did look better under Tito than Pep. Cesc and Thiago really never linked up that well when they started together.

Cesc has to play as an AM to be at is optimal best. I personally think he's better than Thiago even though Thiago is more suited for Xavi's role than Cesc is.

 

[DonAndres]

This Rossel only chooses people close to him and loyal and wont choose anyone who worked under Laporta is pure guess work by you.

Rossel had no part in Enrique leaving in the first place.

You seem to forget that the members by and large sick of Laporta by the time he left and Rossel was voted in fair and square by those same members.

I'm not saying that Rosell drove all of Laporta's people out personally, but they disbanded soon after he left and it's pretty obvious to see that Rosell would prefer his own people over Laporta's. It's club politics yet you seem to act clueless on it as if that doesn't exist.

 

[JamDav1982]

I'm not saying that Rosell drove all of Laporta's people out personally, but they disbanded soon after he left and it's pretty obvious to see that Rosell would prefer his own people over Laporta's. It's club politics yet you seem to act clueless on it as if that doesn't exist.

But that is 100% natural to do that as the new president.

He never seemed to get rid of anyone who was influential on the football side of things.

Other than Cruyff who he had to get rid of as their two egos in the club would have started to destroy it from within.

Rosell understood exactly how important the likes of Pep were and gave everything he could to him.

 

[Meitux]

Pep played Cesc out of position for a whole season.

Tito moved Cesc back to the midfield and for the first half of the season he looked dynamic. He got injured and didn't come back as dynamic. Was forced to play the False 9 role because Messi got injured to finish the season. Cesc did look better under Tito than Pep. Cesc and Thiago really never linked up that well when they started together.

Cesc has to play as an AM to be at is optimal best. I personally think he's better than Thiago even though Thiago is more suited for Xavi's role than Cesc is.

You never know,it was his first season with Barcelona and Pep maybe if Pep was still here could find something better for him.But clearly as you say his best comes out of as attacking midfielder,but not only that..he needs a target man to have to do what he does best.Give assists

 

[Galning]

Pep takes part of the blame for there being too many midfielders.

You are right it is the managers task to manage the situation - which as I said is an impossible one to keep them all happy.

Pep kept them happy by playing a formation that allowed them both to play more. That formation did not work in the end and they have reverted back to 4-3-3.

It was a different situation and added to that Thiago was a year younger and Cesc was in hid first year at the club they were less likely to be as vocal about being unhappy anyway.

Pep played Cesc out of position for a whole season.

Tito moved Cesc back to the midfield and for the first half of the season he looked dynamic. He got injured and didn't come back as dynamic. Was forced to play the False 9 role because Messi got injured to finish the season. Cesc did look better under Tito than Pep. Cesc and Thiago really never linked up that well when they started together.

Cesc has to play as an AM to be at is optimal best. I personally think he's better than Thiago even though Thiago is more suited for Xavi's role than Cesc is.

We're back at the beginning where I have to say: and this all contributes to the fact that it's Pep fault that Thiago is leaving how? Barcelona fucked up with the contract, they fucked up with the playing time, and now they have to deal with it. I don't get why people are so pissed off about it. If Thiago wants to leave, fine let him leave. If he wants to stay he still can and if Barcelona wanted him to stay they could've offered him a better deal.
It's really not that hard. But I'm done discussing about this.

 

[DonAndres]

But that is 100% natural to do that as the new president.

He never seemed to get rid of anyone who was influential on the football side of things.

Other than Cruyff who he had to get rid of as their two egos in the club would have started to destroy it from within.

Rosell understood exactly how important the likes of Pep were and gave everything he could to him.

I'm not saying it's unnatural, I'm just saying that's how it is. He's already happily trusted Roura to take over as coach in Tito's absence, I wouldn't put it past him to do it again should Tito leave permanently.