Philippe Coutinho

[BBZ8800]

Ok guys

But now try to make 11 players out of the current players, without Messi.
And remember, someone will have to create, shoot and score now.

In attack:
Griezz is hot and cold and too negative minded for Barca.
Depay is new and a question mark.
Braithwaite is segunda level.
Dembele is both dumb, unporfessional and injured all the time.

Midfielders are all good at possession, nobody can shoot.

In that sense, Cou is one of the rare players (without Messi) with an attacking and creative spark (but NOT as a LW).
But I still think that he will be the first one to leave.
And we will have attack who can't do anything paired with midfield who can't do anything but recycle possession.

He is still the guy who was once able to do this:

 

[Devils]

You can literally compile a video of highlights of Aspas doing similar things at Celta.

We might as well go sign him too.

 

[te amo barca]

BBZ, don't get your hopes up on Coutinho only to have them shattered.

 

[vegitot]

Ok guys

But now try to make 11 players out of the current players, without Messi.
And remember, someone will have to create, shoot and score now.

In attack:
Griezz is hot and cold and too negative minded for Barca.
Depay is new and a question mark.
Braithwaite is segunda level.
Dembele is both dumb, unporfessional and injured all the time.

Midfielders are all good at possession, nobody can shoot.

In that sense, Cou is one of the rare players (without Messi) with an attacking and creative spark (but NOT as a LW).
But I still think that he will be the first one to leave.
And we will have attack who can't do anything paired with midfield who can't do anything but recycle possession.

He is still the guy who was once able to do this:

This is all on paper. On paper he should be able to create, shoot...but in reality all of them are gone. Not mention his mentality.

 

[BBZ8800]

This is all on paper. On paper he should be able to create, shoot...but in reality all of them are gone. Not mention his mentality.

Maybe some players sucked without creative freedom because every ball needed to be passed to Messi?

We won't know until we try to play everyone without Messi on a field.

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

Maybe some players sucked without creative freedom because every ball needed to be passed to Messi?

We won't know until we try to play everyone without Messi on a field.

If he played anywhere close to Messi during his time here, I would get this but it did not happen. Just because they both like to cut into middle and play between the lines does not mean he was stifled by Messi.

I have been over this waste since Anfield. Had his chance to prove himself then and there and he failed miserably. Just folly at this point pinning hopes on either him or a washed up Greizmann.

If you wanna look at two players who can somewhat fill this void, I would say it is either Ansu, Kays or Demir. Shame Kays got Covid, else he would have turned heads in pre-season too.

But nah, even Liverpool Phil was inconsistent.

 

[MTL_Barca]

Maybe some players sucked without creative freedom because every ball needed to be passed to Messi?

We won't know until we try to play everyone without Messi on a field.

Would you say the same about Dembele?

Coutinho showing why he was bought could be a saving grace with Messi gone...but i just don't see it. More freedom or not, nobody stopped Coutinho from at least playing somewhat decent but after his first couple months he even lacked the basics and since then he just got older and injured. Also there was no Messi at Bayern and he still wasn't great, so doesn't seem to be that simple.

Him actually contributing something again would already be a big success, him getting back to his Liverpool days seems like utopia.

 

[messi2140]

End of the day all these player will have a full season without Messi , especially Griezmann who loved to moan about him playing in his best position for France and not Barcelona.

 

[JohnN]

Oh, we are gonna be enjoying Barca without Messi now, don't you worry. Everyone will show their worth.
Before Suarez left I asked who will compensate for his goals? No one did. Imagine we have to compensate for Messi's goals and assists now. Good times ahead..

 

[te amo barca]

Oh, we are gonna be enjoying Barca without Messi now, don't you worry. Everyone will show their worth.
Before Suarez left I asked who will compensate for his goals? No one did. Imagine we have to compensate for Messi's goals and assists now. Good times ahead..

Give the team a chance before doom and gloom. A top 4 finish would be great for now. Moreover, Suarez's goals were compensated by Ansu until he got injured very early into the season. We have some new players, time to build a new project.

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

Give the team a chance before doom and gloom. A top 4 finish would be great for now. Moreover, Suarez's goals were compensated by Ansu until he got injured very early into the season. We have some new players, time to build a new project.

No. Money. How can you build a project when you are reporting 400+ mil losses? How can you build a project when our biggest sporting asset now is a clown who does fortnite celebrations?

Just accept the reality that we are not going to relevant or competitive for a long time now. Until Fati and Pedri are somewhat able to fill the creative and goal void in the team, it is pretty hopeless. And realistically, they are probably a good two years away from reaching that sort of form and output.

 

[te amo barca]

No. Money. How can you build a project when you are reporting 400+ mil losses? How can you build a project when our biggest sporting asset now is a clown who does fortnite celebrations?

Just accept the reality that we are not going to relevant or competitive for a long time now. Until Fati and Pedri are somewhat able to fill the creative and goal void in the team, it is pretty hopeless. And realistically, they are probably a good two years away from reaching that sort of form and output.

We can prioritize free and cheap transfers for the next summer mercato as well while offloading the deadweight. There are enough promising youngsters to start building a new Barca side, but we will need to buy a new superstar/hidden gem to complement them, that's true. Anyway, I'm very much in the "there is potentially a new golden generation at La Masia" camp rather than the "we're going to end up EL participants for years" camp.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

Ok guys

But now try to make 11 players out of the current players, without Messi.
And remember, someone will have to create, shoot and score now.

In attack:
Griezz is hot and cold and too negative minded for Barca.
Depay is new and a question mark.
Braithwaite is segunda level.
Dembele is both dumb, unporfessional and injured all the time.

Midfielders are all good at possession, nobody can shoot.

In that sense, Cou is one of the rare players (without Messi) with an attacking and creative spark (but NOT as a LW).
But I still think that he will be the first one to leave.
And we will have attack who can't do anything paired with midfield who can't do anything but recycle possession.

He is still the guy who was once able to do this:

Memphis is still our best bet as he recently was the main man on a club level and he definitely is a player than can create and score. Coutinho on the other hand spent almost 200 days out injured.

I always liked Coutinho and I still like him, but he never was a leader and never will be. He has just not the mentality for it. When he flourished at Liverpool, he was surrounded by great attacking talent in Mane, Firmino and Salah. He was a luxury player in that regard. Their offense and game was run by others.

I totally agree with you that we don't have midfielders that can shoot and Coutinho used to, long time ago. We have Pedri and De Jong who will play 50 games a season. Then there is Busi, our "new" captain, who will also play a lot of games. So where should we fit Coutinho into a starting line-up? We all agree that he isn't a LW and that both Fati and Memphis are better suited for the position.

Coutinho played as a midfielder for Brazil and he didn't really impress me there either. His best position is one that doesn't really exist in modern football and he is not that good that you let him play there and make him the main man. That's something Everton would do with James, but a club like Barcelona (even with Messi leaving) shouldn't make a player of Coutinho's class a main man. Griezmann, the same. He doesn't really fit into the Barcelona way of playing either.

 

[BBZ8800]

[MENTION=21445]behindbrowneyes[/MENTION]

Depay, slow down.
A failure at United and was good at France.
And even as a key man, he hasn't scored that much.

Who is our rw?
Who is our cf (dropping deep Griezz)?

Why do we have to play 433 btw?
We don't have a pivot, we don't have Iniesta and none out of 3 attackers is a good fit.

Pedri-Frenkie pivots

Depay-Cou-Griezz with Ansu upfront isn't much worse than any combo with Busi-Frenkie-Pedri sterile to death midfield.

 

[vegitot]

Maybe some players sucked without creative freedom because every ball needed to be passed to Messi?

We won't know until we try to play everyone without Messi on a field.

It will not happen pal. All of best Coutinho are gone. He hasn't showed it for years. Now he just comes back from a major injury, nearly a year without football. And his weakest mentality will make thing worse.