Premier League 2013/14

[veryfatchocobo]

Wow. I didn't realise that Barcelona fans disliked United so much. Strange.

Moyes is clueless though and has got to go.

3 assists in 3 games for Mata, despite having not played regularly in weeks and in a new system.

Mata, Janzuaj, Kagawa and van Persie would be great under Klopp. Get him in the summer. He's taken Dortmund as far as they can go.

I don't get the fascination of grabbing the best of other big footballing countries and implying the EPL is a big boost over other big big teams like Borussia Dortmund........ It doesn't make sense, and I doubt Klopp will move away from a CL side. In theory, Man U will be a lesser team than Borussia Dortmund next season.

 

[Chainsaw]

Wow. I didn't realise that Barcelona fans disliked United so much. Strange.

Seriously it's a bit hard hating United anymore with Moyes in charge. I'm actually starting to have feelings for 'em.

Moyes

 

[S7_MUFC]

I don't get the fascination of grabbing the best of other big footballing countries and implying the EPL is a big boost over other big big teams like Borussia Dortmund........ It doesn't make sense, and I doubt Klopp will move away from a CL side. In theory, Man U will be a lesser team than Borussia Dortmund next season.

We only care about United and whether EPL is unique or copycat of other footballing nations is absolutely irrelevant to any average Fan...and United will be big boost over Dortmund because unlike them we can keep hold of our star players and compete for any player.....United with a good manager can attract any top class player....

 

[beautifulgame]

Hm. Those days seem long gone.

 

[suckabov]

We only care about United and whether EPL is unique or copycat of other footballing nations is absolutely irrelevant to any average Fan...and United will be big boost over Dortmund because unlike them we can keep hold of our star players and compete for any player.....United with a good manager can attract any top class player....

No offence but, I've seen that sort of attitude from so many United fans recently I don't mean you in particular but there seems to be the general notion among many fans that Dortmund will just cave in and sell you all players you want - Reus, Gündogan, Hummels, Bender - and that the players along with Klopp will happily escape the sinking and crappy Dortmund ship to play for the prestigious United. Some of that is just plain arrogant.

Frankly, you won't attract many top class players this summer. And United is currently not an upgrade to Dortmund, at all. If you continue playing like you do and fail to qualify for CL, it will be a downgrade. Also let's not act as if Dortmund don't have any standing. Internationally, they can't keep up image-wise with the other top clubs yet, but in Germany, they're one of the clubs with the greatest history and tradition. And financially, they're getting there.

Also, Klopp could have coached Bayern and Real Madrid. No chance he would now leave his own little long-term project BVB for you now.

 

[S7_MUFC]

No offence but, I've seen that sort of attitude from so many United fans recently I don't mean you in particular but there seems to be the general notion among many fans that Dortmund will just cave in and sell you all players you want - Reus, Gündogan, Hummels, Bender - and that the players along with Klopp will happily escape the sinking and crappy Dortmund ship to play for the prestigious United. Some of that is just plain arrogant.

Frankly, you won't attract any top class players this summer. And United is currently not an upgrade to Dortmund, at all. If you continue playing like you do and fail to qualify for CL, it will be a downgrade. Also let's not act as if Dortmund don't have any standing. Internationally, they can't keep up image-wise with the other top clubs yet, but in Germany, they're one of the clubs with the greatest history and tradition. And financially, they're getting there.

Also, Klopp could have coached Bayern and Real Madrid. No chance he would now leave his own little long-term project BVB for you now.

Dortmund are obviously better than we are at the moment but they will lose Lewandowski in the summer and I can't think of any top class striker who can replace him....We need serious overhaul in the summer but if we sign 4-5 top class players we can easily compete for domestic honors and qualify for the champions league...I'm not being disrespectful to Dortmund but why shouldn't we go after top class players and Managers? Other big clubs will most likely bid for them anyway....and the way we are playing is completely down to the manager so why would a would be manager worry about how we are playing?....I have a lot of respect for Dortmund and I want them to succeed but if their players and manger want to move we should try to get them....

 

[NeyMesSis]

Dortmund are obviously better than we are at the moment but they will lose Lewandowski in the summer and I can't think of any top class striker who can replace him....We need serious overhaul in the summer but if we sign 4-5 top class players we can easily compete for domestic honors and qualify for the champions league...I'm not being disrespectful to Dortmund but why shouldn't we go after top class players and Managers? Other big clubs will most likely bid for them anyway....and the way we are playing is completely down to the manager so why would a would be manager worry about how we are playing?....I have a lot of respect for Dortmund and I want them to succeed but if their players and manger want to move we should try to get them....

dortmund will stay a big team in the coming years, no doubt.

They lost Götze and Lewandowski yes but..


Kloopp signed until 2018.
They get every year more money.. They can make their squad always bigger.
They dont change their "plan", they buy still cheap talents, like jojic last week.
They have so mane injuries, when they all come back, they have a great team.
They have already a very good striker on the monitor. --> Adrian Ramos. Topscorer in the BL and ....cheap
They have a good mix of youthplayers, cheap talents and topplayers.

Belief me or not, but BVB will get better and better every year.

Watzke, Klopp and Zorc ftw!!

 

[ivan22]

First 20 Minutes of Liverpool - Arsenal

 

[zanela]

 

[BerkeleyBernie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKC9KdBCgW4#t=150

at 2:29 there are *7* Fulham players in the back line. all in the box, with an 8th (also in the box) rushing to join them:

 

[suckabov]

Dortmund are obviously better than we are at the moment but they will lose Lewandowski in the summer and I can't think of any top class striker who can replace him....We need serious overhaul in the summer but if we sign 4-5 top class players we can easily compete for domestic honors and qualify for the champions league...I'm not being disrespectful to Dortmund but why shouldn't we go after top class players and Managers? Other big clubs will most likely bid for them anyway....and the way we are playing is completely down to the manager so why would a would be manager worry about how we are playing?....I have a lot of respect for Dortmund and I want them to succeed but if their players and manger want to move we should try to get them....

It has never been Dortmund's philosophy to buy big players or finished products. They have always looked to buy promising young prospects from weaker leagues (Lewandowski, Kagawa, Kuba, Aubameyang) or to grow their own players (Götze, Reus, Sahin, Großkreutz). It's true that they're not in a position yet to keep all the players they produce/develop, but that doesn't mean that automatically everyone would want to leave, especially home-grown players like Reus, who has snatched Bayern to rejoin Dortmund. Dortmund offers stable surroundings for the next few years (Klopp staying long-term, extreme loyalty to players, improving financial conditions) and convey the philosophy that they're more like a family/project than a club out to win titles. That alone is very attractive to a lot of players. Once Dortmund has a better standing internationally and improves financially, that appeal will even grow. Much like Arsenal's development over the years.

Of course there are and always will be players who look out for more prestigious destinations or prefer to gloryhunt somewhere, but if you look at the players leaving, staying and returning to Dortmund, you will see that there is a solid base of players who would give everything for the club. Just look at Sahin and his emotional return, or Piszczek who has turned down the money of Man City, or Kuba who has turned down several big clubs.

I'm not even talking about you in particular. I've just seen some United fans acting as if it was totally realistic to buy half of Dortmund, saying things like, "why wouldn't they want to join United?". That's a bit arrogant/disrespectful, similar to some Bayern fans who explode on anyone who suggests that it's not every player's dream to abandon their club to sit on the Bayern bench. In reality, United's standing in Germany is not that good, and certainly not as good as fans in England believe. When people talk about top clubs, they talk about Real, Barcelona or Bayern, not United.

 

[veryfatchocobo]

Dortmund are obviously better than we are at the moment but they will lose Lewandowski in the summer and I can't think of any top class striker who can replace him....We need serious overhaul in the summer but if we sign 4-5 top class players we can easily compete for domestic honors and qualify for the champions league...I'm not being disrespectful to Dortmund but why shouldn't we go after top class players and Managers? Other big clubs will most likely bid for them anyway....and the way we are playing is completely down to the manager so why would a would be manager worry about how we are playing?....I have a lot of respect for Dortmund and I want them to succeed but if their players and manger want to move we should try to get them....

I honestly don't think you guys need to sign too many players. Sure you don't have the best midfield, but you pretty much have the same squad that kept you in 1st place for many years. You guys even have 5 world class players in RvP, Rooney, Kagawa, Mata, and Januzaj; plus... your other wingers and benched players are still top class (I think Welbeck is amazingly underrated but w/e...). Your defense isn't too shabby either. You guys really only need one signing, and that's at CM (Hint: Song doesn't deserve to be benched.... I'd rather we keep him though)

I really don't think it's the players that are letting your team down, it's the tactics. The lack of creativity in the center is what's really killing you. You have two world class players there and Moyes is simply ignoring it by either playing Januzaj or having 2 strikers (shocker, they play short passing in order to put the ball out wide.... then hoof it in for the header...........). Also, your last convincing win was with Kagawa in the center without him being substituted..... The tactics don't fit the current crop of players, and your world class players are suffering because of it. I remember pre-Guardiola that people were trying to get Rijkaard's team to sign others. Turns out we just needed a change in managers to win our matches, though then again, Pique and Dani Alves really helped us.......

 

[S7_MUFC]

It has never been Dortmund's philosophy to buy big players or finished products. They have always looked to buy promising young prospects from weaker leagues (Lewandowski, Kagawa, Kuba, Aubameyang) or to grow their own players (Götze, Reus, Sahin, Großkreutz). It's true that they're not in a position yet to keep all the players they produce/develop, but that doesn't mean that automatically everyone would want to leave, especially home-grown players like Reus, who has snatched Bayern to rejoin Dortmund. Dortmund offers stable surroundings for the next few years (Klopp staying long-term, extreme loyalty to players, improving financial conditions) and convey the philosophy that they're more like a family/project than a club out to win titles. That alone is very attractive to a lot of players. Once Dortmund has a better standing internationally and improves financially, that appeal will even grow. Much like Arsenal's development over the years.

Of course there are and always will be players who look out for more prestigious destinations or prefer to gloryhunt somewhere, but if you look at the players leaving, staying and returning to Dortmund, you will see that there is a solid base of players who would give everything for the club. Just look at Sahin and his emotional return, or Piszczek who has turned down the money of Man City, or Kuba who has turned down several big clubs.

I'm not even talking about you in particular. I've just seen some United fans acting as if it was totally realistic to buy half of Dortmund, saying things like, "why wouldn't they want to join United?". That's a bit arrogant/disrespectful, similar to some Bayern fans who explode on anyone who suggests that it's not every player's dream to abandon their club to sit on the Bayern bench. In reality, United's standing in Germany is not that good, and certainly not as good as fans in England believe. When people talk about top clubs, they talk about Real, Barcelona or Bayern, not United.

Of course our standing is not good at the moment but I've seen interviews of Bayern players where they mention that even the likes of Barca and United couldn't win back to back champions leagues so, it'll be special if they win the CL this season......Gotze mentioned United as possible destination before leaving for Bayern....and the reason why I believe United can appeal to top players is they will walk into the Starting XI.....

 

[Kerrybai]

No offence but, I've seen that sort of attitude from so many United fans recently I don't mean you in particular but there seems to be the general notion among many fans that Dortmund will just cave in and sell you all players you want - Reus, Gündogan, Hummels, Bender - and that the players along with Klopp will happily escape the sinking and crappy Dortmund ship to play for the prestigious United. Some of that is just plain arrogant.

Frankly, you won't attract any top class players this summer. And United is currently not an upgrade to Dortmund, at all. If you continue playing like you do and fail to qualify for CL, it will be a downgrade. Also let's not act as if Dortmund don't have any standing. Internationally, they can't keep up image-wise with the other top clubs yet, but in Germany, they're one of the clubs with the greatest history and tradition. And financially, they're getting there.

Also, Klopp could have coached Bayern and Real Madrid. No chance he would now leave his own little long-term project BVB for you now.

Ehhh sorry to burst your bubble but United can and will attract top talent. Attracting top talent has nothing to do with a teams standing, it's all about money. United are the most valuable club in world football with the largest fan base. They may not have the financial muscle of the oils clubs but they blow the likes of Dortmund out of the water. Just look at the mega sponsorship deals they have been signing. Money rules football so with some smart transfers United can get back on top, oh and let's not forget they can throw that money at managers too.

 

[suckabov]

Ehhh sorry to burst your bubble but United can and will attract top talent. Attracting top talent has nothing to do with a teams standing, it's all about money. United are the most valuable club in world football with the largest fan base. They may not have the financial muscle of the oils clubs but they blow the likes of Dortmund out of the water. Just look at the mega sponsorship deals they have been signing. Money rules football so with some smart transfers United can get back on top, oh and let's not forget they can throw that money at managers too.

No doubt that United will be able to attrackt top talent/names, but probably none of the names discussed (Reus, Gündogan, Hummels, Bender, Klopp) which is what I was talking about. Not because of their standing, but because those names are completely unrealistic due to their respective contract situations, because there are other clubs in for them (Gündogan) or they have no reasons to leave, especially if United fail to qualify for CL. Perhaps Kroos, but that depends on Bayern and perhaps (a big one) if Gündogan decides to snub Real, us, Bayern and Dortmund for them.

I was talking about the standing (in Germany, that is) because a lot of fans acted as if it wasn't even debatable that those players would leave the club in a heartbeat to join United. Not on here, just generally on the internet.

Of course our standing is not good at the moment but I've seen interviews of Bayern players where they mention that even the likes of Barca and United couldn't win back to back champions leagues so, it'll be special if they win the CL this season......Gotze mentioned United as possible destination before leaving for Bayern....and the reason why I believe United can appeal to top players is they will walk into the Starting XI.....

Yeah, we'll see. No doubt you will still be able to attract players, but the specific names that keep being mentioned seem majorly unrealistic, at least this summer. Don't think they're needed either. I would get a good CM and perhaps a few defenders. Not sure about Moyes - does he need more time? Personally, I don't believe in him, but who knows.
Nothing against United and its history either, of course it's a big and prestigious club still and is considered a top club anywhere, regardless of this season. Just meant that United is not as big a dream for all players as some fans believe. And if you have to compete with Real or Bayern for those players, that will always be tough regardless. Good point about walking into the first team - I think that (along with the standing he would have) could be a factor in securing Kroos - somehow believe he would be most likely to join you if he leaves Bayern. But then that's the question, will he leave Bayern? We'll see. If he does, you will have good chances.