Premier League 2014/15

Who will win the EPL this season?


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JamDav1982

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Here is Man Utd team for you..

01 De Gea
03 Evra
05 Ferdinand (Smalling - 63' )
06 Evans
21 Rafael Booked
11 Giggs (Welbeck - 68' )
13 Park Ji-sung
16 Carrick (Pogba - 63' Booked )
18 Young
23 Cleverley
10 Rooney

Weak? Nope.

Everton -

24 Howard
23 Coleman
30 Alcaraz
06 Jagielka
03 Baines
16 McCarthy (Besic - 78' Booked )
18 Barry
19 Atsu (Osman - 65' )
20 Barkley
14 Naismith (Koné - 65' )
10 Lukaku Booked

Weak?

Spotting a theme here.
 

StarLord

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La Liga's easily the best league in the world in terms of quality. 4th or 5th placed La Liga teams will probably finish in 2nd or 3rd in other leagues. But it's certainly not even close to being the most competitive league. Look at the goal difference of the top 2 in Spain and compare that to goal differences in other leagues, it's ridiculous. After 36 games, Chelsea has a goal difference of +42. Barca has a goal difference of +88 lmao. Look at the points gained by the top 2 in all the leagues, La Liga always has the most points in the top 2, by far.

I agree that La Liga is the best league in Europe for the past 5 years or so. This is not my wishful thinking talking, but the objective results of teams in Europe. Facts are simply facts: http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2015.html

I don't think that Sevilla and Valencia could finish 2nd or 3rd in other top leagues. Maybe in some, probably not in others. It's very difficult to tell.

It's good that you mention Chelsea vis a vis the Top 2 in Spain. Throughout the season, Chelsea had almost exactly the same number of points as Barca/Real. It is only once they opened a massive gap between themselves and the rest and the title has been clinched that they fielded a weakened line-up vs Liverpool and dropped points. Otherwise they would have the same number of points as Real Madrid. Exactly the same!

Now, I am sure that you would agree with me, that the current Chelsea is a significantly weaker side than either Real or Barca. Especially in the attacking department. Real Madrid have CR7, Benzema, Bale and James. Barelona have the superhero-esque MSN. What do Chelsea have in front? A Costa that has been mostly injured (still scored loads in the uber-tough EPL) an exciting but quite inconsistent Hazard, and some other dudes not worth mentioning. Hence, Real Madrid and Barcelona scoring more than Chelsea is the most natural thing in the world of football, not in any way a testament to the EPL's alleged superiority or increased competitiveness over the Spanish league.

Let's look at last year.


Man City +65
Liverpool +51

Barcelona +67
Real Madrid +66
Atletico M. +51


Considering the above in conjunction with how the respective sides did in European competition, the conclusions are all but inescapable. La Liga pawns the much richer EPL on all levels.


In your opinion. Anyone who watches Liverpool regularly knows that Gerrard has been finished for maybe as long as 4 years ago. Him leaving is the best thing that could have happened to the club. He was dragging them down and Rodgers has handled his exit brilliantly.

Spurs and Liverpool have always placed more interest in finishing 4th over The Europa League. Sevilla love it.

Can you find the starting XIs of Everton/Liverpool and Spurs when they crushed out this season? Or in previous ones? I remember some very strong sides losing time and again. And it is not just the EL. English clubs have been failing in the CL as well. Liverpool were eliminated by Basel ffs, as were United a few years back. Chelsea are the only title holders to be eliminated from the GS. The undisputed champs of this season, were outplayed and eliminated by a team that had to play for 90mns with 10-men.

Like I told you before, you seem to be completely indifferent towards reality. You are only interested in recycling your propaganda.


Bacca at Sevilla is there top scorer and has started 7 of 14 Europa League games this season and only played 90 mins once.

Man City team to get eliminated from Europa...

25 Hart
04 Kompany (Lescott - 12' )
13 Kolarov Booked
22 Clichy
28 K Toure
07 Milner
18 Barry (Nasri - 59' )
21 Silva
34 De Jong Booked
10 Dzeko (Balotelli - 71' )
16 Aguero

If thats there second string back then there first team must have been some group. Want me to show you starting elevens of Liverpool teams in recent years that have gone out? Or Man Utd, Everton, Spurs teams?

They are all strong line ups.

Iborra and Mbia have also been rested several times in the EL this season. Still, Sevilla are bossing the tournament.

Like I said, some people simply choose to ignore reality when it does not suit their narrative.

As for Liverpool, Spurs and Everton line-ups: http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2015/matches/index.htm
 
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Flavia

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Any of Chelsea, City, Arsenal and United could have won the league.

Arsenal have games in hand.

Southampton having the season that they've had. Lost all their best players and still managed to have their best ever season. Unpredictability. Swansea potentially finishing 7th. Unpredictability. United only finishing 4th despite the money spent and the late run they went on before collapsing. Unpredictability.

Two things were guaranteed with La Liga this season. Barcelona or Real Madrid as the top two. A.Madrid and Valencia fighting for 3rd. Everyone else outside of Sevilla is so far off 4th. Villarreal are miles off the pace yet still comfortably in 6th. They perform miracles. Great club.

La Liga might produce a better standard of attacking football on a head to head basis, but their is huge lack of competition at the top. Barcelona and Real Madrid killed the sport.

Arsenal or united winning? yeah, right :lol:
No, it was a 2 horse race between chelsea and city, from day one.
 
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Flavia

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It's more competitive than La Liga for sure. I made a long-ass post on the Serie A thread here:

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/12146-Serie-A-2014-2015?p=1447739&viewfull=1#post1447739

And some charts here:

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/12146-Serie-A-2014-2015?p=1447771&viewfull=1#post1447771


This season has been the first time La Liga and EPL have been about equally competitive, because Valencia and Sevilla had such great seasons.

Last season la liga had 3 teams fighting for the title until the last round. There's a supremacy of Barça and rm in la liga, I don't deny that. But if you check the epl champions from 92/93, till now, United won 12x, Arsenal 3x, Chelsea 4x, City 2x and Blackburn 2x. Only 5 different teams won it, with a huge domination from united.

While in la liga, from 92/93 onwards, Barça won it 10x(11 to confirm), rm 7x, atletico 2x, deportivo 1x, and valencia 2x. Also 5 different teams.

I really don't see that difference in competitiveness. The fight from 3rd to 10th is really not that different either. And I think la liga have had better midtable teams for a good while now.
 

StarLord

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Any of Chelsea, City, Arsenal and United could have won the league.

Arsenal have games in hand.

Southampton having the season that they've had. Lost all their best players and still managed to have their best ever season. Unpredictability. Swansea potentially finishing 7th. Unpredictability. United only finishing 4th despite the money spent and the late run they went on before collapsing. Unpredictability.

Two things were guaranteed with La Liga this season. Barcelona or Real Madrid as the top two. A.Madrid and Valencia fighting for 3rd. Everyone else outside of Sevilla is so far off 4th. Villarreal are miles off the pace yet still comfortably in 6th. They perform miracles. Great club.

La Liga might produce a better standard of attacking football on a head to head basis, but their is huge lack of competition at the top. Barcelona and Real Madrid killed the sport.

The bookies disagree with you.

You say there is not competition at the top of La Liga. What? There are two grand teams fighting it out over there. In the EPL, it was only one, and a far lesser than the Clasico pair to be sure on top of everything else. Get a grip.

Valencia were certain for 3rd/4th? Really? Last season they finished 8th. Couldn't even make the EL. They are still between 3rd and 5th, with only two games to go. It can go either way. Sevilla have finished from 10th to 3rd in the past decade or so, Villarreal have ranged from 2nd to being relegated. Sociedad also ranged from the Seguna to the CL spots etc... Atletico have ranged from Champions to 10th. You need to get a few facts straight, you are talking complete and utter nonsense here. It is in fact the EPL that boasts more or less the exact same top 4 every single season with minor variations here or there.

Real Madrid and Barcelona killed the sport? Oh really? Is that why Spanish teams have won the most trophies in Europe in the last decade and a half? Is that why La Liga has created an abyss between itself and the likes of EPL/BuLi/Serie A in the UEFA rankings?


Last season la liga had 3 teams fighting for the title until the last round. There's a supremacy of Barça and rm in la liga, I don't deny that. But if you check the epl champions from 92/93, till now, United won 12x, Arsenal 3x, Chelsea 4x, City 2x and Blackburn 2x. Only 5 different teams won it, with a huge domination from united.

While in la liga, from 92/93 onwards, Barça won it 10x(11 to confirm), rm 7x, atletico 2x, deportivo 1x, and valencia 2x. Also 5 different teams.

I really don't see that difference in competitiveness. The fight from 3rd to 10th is really not that different either. And I think la liga have had better midtable teams for a good while now.

It's United 13 and Blackburn one. Blackburn then went on to finish bottom of their CL group below Spartak Moscow (who took them to the cleaners) Legia Warsaw and Rosenborg.
 
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I can't believe Arsenal will finish the 1st half without a single finish. Arsenal offensive buildup is too slow and they are just running, ffs.
 
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